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Birthday (and family knowledge). He used both versions at various times and also omitted middle  name at times, just to further confuse things. His children remembered him visiting from Barrow

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I am helping a grandson of Patrick Joseph above to piece together his rather convoluted life. In brief, he (grandad) was born Nov 1910 in Newry Workhouse, Co Down N. Ireland, the illegitimate son of Lizzie Devlin, who was only 14 at the time. The mother continues to live with her parents thereafter, but the boy is given into the care of a "friend" and her two daughters( allegedly no relation). Both natural and surrogate mothers die and youngster is then in care of the daughters. However they are both millworkers, and so the boy is left to run wild. The authorities pack him off to an Industrial School in Belfast, from where at age 16 he is sent to work for a farmer in Co Cavan ( no known relation) He marries Bridget Hughes in Newry 1936 and next turns up in Barrow on 1939 register. There is no occupation shown except for A R P and no sign of family. He supposedly enlists in Territorial Army prior to 1940, and the Barrow newspaper has several reports of a "I Devlin" winning prizes in shooting competitions. Family tradition has it that the wife returned to Ireland  " to avoid the bombing"' , or more accurately, the threat of bombing. None of the children were born in Barrow and in  Feb 1940 our man " enlisted with the Territorial Army as a member of the Royal Artillery, no 1526123". He serves through to Jan 1946 and returns to Newry. He had acquired a head injury in Malta , which contributed to his death in 1950s

 The family are keen to discover anything else about his time in Barrow in Furness

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To confuse the issue even more
Richard Thomas Franklin Thompson  was born July 13th 1871 at Frederick St,  Newtonards, Co Down to Roseann Thompson former!y Thompson and FREDERICK Thompson, a soldier. This would be the first child of the mystery marriage. According to the person researching the Thompson/Conway connection, in 1871 the bogus husband's regiment was stationed in Newry ,some distance away

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UK Long Service and Good Conduct Medals

Conway  Frederick

Quartermaster Sergeant

Service No 1291

Recommendation date 1882

Bedfordshire Regiment
1st Battalion

On his Attestation record ( available via Findmypast) he gives wife as Rose Ann Thompson ( as opposed to Roseanne) and married Londonderry ( not strictly true) 9th Sept 1870

They went on to have children ( according to descendant who I am trying to help with wedding mystery). They are assuming , they tell me, that Army would not let them move about as husband and wife without documentary proof??

Anne 1876 Hertford
Fred 1878 Ireland
Benjamin Somerville 1880 Athlone Ireland
Rose Thompson 1881 Hertford
Henry W 1884 Shorncliffe Kent
Rupert Thompson 1888 Hertford
Ralph Thompson 1890 England


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The subject marriage registration entry has the bride as Roseanne Thompson, daughter of William Thompson , shoemaker and the groom as Thomas Franklin Thompson, soldier, son of Richard Thompson, baker
Location was All Saints parish church, Clooney, Co Londonderry
HOWEVER, the Service Record for Richard Conway, 16th regiment, no 1291, has the same bride, date and location for HIS marriage, and he is shown as the father of her subsequent children in their official registrations
So who was Thomas Franklin Thompson ?????

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Down / Re: Ervin Bernhart Shartz/Schats German photographer WW1 Drummiller Dromore Down
« on: Thursday 17 November 22 17:19 GMT (UK)  »
And finally (?). He is buried in Glentree German War Cemetery , Co Wicklow, Ireland. Plot 5.
Photo on Find A Grave.

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Hi

Just noticed this old post with seemingly no replies . There is an exceedingly comprehensive tree for this family on Ancestry compiled by a lady in Australia. There is no specific mention of burials but, if you're still stuck, it might be worth contacting her. If you aren't on Ancestry I can message her for you?

Matt

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Down / Re: Ervin Bernhart Shartz/Schats German photographer WW1 Drummiller Dromore Down
« on: Wednesday 16 November 22 15:29 GMT (UK)  »
I have noticed how our man ended up in the Lunatic Asylum.

In Oldcastle Petty Sessions Court , July 30th, 1915, he was convicted, as a dangerous lunatic, of unlawfully attempting to assault a soldier the previous day.

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A complete record of the hearing in which a distraught Bernhard, with no representation, is sentenced to jail, is contained in Dromore Weekly Times of 19th Sept 1914. The local authorities found themselves powerless to prevent the man losing his equipment and hence his livelihood. They best they could do was to assure the poor man that his wife would be looked after and not left destitute. It was very emotional for all parties.

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