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Australia / Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« on: Monday 13 July 15 05:51 BST (UK)  »
Hello Colleen,

Yes I would appreciate the full names and birth/death dates of your grandmother's family.  I have her birth date recorded as 9.9.1882, Port Augusta, and I guess I got that from the SA Indexes.  I have her first marriage as 1.8.1904, Alberton and the second as 15.10.1921, Semaphore.  I also have your grandfather's name Westcomb with an "e" on the end.  Is that incorrect?

I have no photos beyond my grandfather Henry, and would love one of John Hugh Bawden, and the copies you have of Cornelius.  I am happy to share any photos I have.

I am happy to send you some of my files of information, and I am happy to send you my personal email, unless you would prefer to keep our correspondence only via RootsChat.

Do you have the details of John Hugh's parents and siblings: JH was the eldest son of Henry and Josepha Bawden (nee Matthews), and was born in Cornwall in 1853 (died 1931).  His first wife was Jane Ann Bennicke Penhall (1856-1879) and second wife was Mary Jane Henery (c1860-1923).  Siblings to JH were Samuel (1855-1941) married Sarah Webb; Mary Emma (1858-1944) married William Ward; Frederick Henry (1864-1936) married Sarah Field; Joseph Matthews (1866-1866); Henry Cornelius (1867-1867); Josepha (1868-1952) married Arthur Shepley.  Do you have any contact with descendants of any of these people?

Henry and Josepha Bawden migrated with their two eldest sons JH and Samuel about 1856, and he worked as a miner at Kapunda, Wallaroo, Moonta and Port Augusta.

Yes, I am the person who wrote to the Army in the 1960's about Cornelius.  My brother and sister have both visited his grave in France, and I can send you a photo if you wish.

I am married (66), retired, but my wife still works as an optometrist.  We have two adult children and three grandchildren.

Its great to share this material with another family member,

John

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Australia / Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« on: Sunday 12 July 15 14:15 BST (UK)  »
Hello Colleen,
It is wonderful to hear from you, and you would be only the second descendant of John Hugh Bawden (apart from my own branch) with whom I have ever had contact.  My grandfather Henry, of course, was John Hugh's first child by his first marriage with Jane Ann Penhall.  The Penhalls and the Bawdens have been very difficult families to trace because of the dearth of male descendants bearing the Penhall or Bawden name.
Are you also tracing the Bawden family, because if so I would be happy to share notes.  Most of my information has come from family memories from my late mother and her sister, as well as the SA Indexes, and more recently Trove.  My grandfather Henry came to Victoria in the 1890s, and after John Hugh died he seems to have lost contact with the SA family.  My mother remembered meeting Hilda and one other sister once, and Cornelius worked in Victoria before he went to war.
I would very much like to share my findings, and fill out more of the story.  One mystery I have never been able to solve is the death of Josepha Bawden, wife of Henry Bawden senior and mother of John Hugh.  I was told she died before her husband died in 1909, and she was also dead in 1893 when her youngest daughter, also named Josepha, married Arthur Shepley, so her death must have been between 1867 (when her last child was born) and 1893. But when and where did she die?  There doesn't seem to be any government registration of her death, even under Bowden.  Do you have any idea?
I assume you live in SA; I am in Melbourne.  With thanks, John Schubert

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Australia / BAWDEN Family, Adelaide
« on: Wednesday 30 March 11 01:13 BST (UK)  »
Is there anyone researching, or with knowledge of, the Bawden Family of the Port Adelaide/Glanville/Semaphore/Exeter area.  John Hugh and Mary Bawden lived in that district from the 1880's, and their children included May (Collins/Miller), John (unmarried), Cornelius (died WW1), Violet (Drummond/Tobin), Hilda (Tomsen), Mildred (Todd), Irene (Friend), Lyly (Bussenschutt).  My grandfather was John Hugh's son from his first marriage (to Annie Penhall).

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Australia / Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« on: Monday 28 March 11 12:19 BST (UK)  »
Hello Shelley,

I haven't looked at this site for some months and was delighted to  see that you have been on line in recent weeks.  I hope you get this message.

John Hugh Bawden was also my great-grandfather; he married twice, firstly to Jane Ann Bennicke Penhall who died in 1879 leaving one son, Henry Bawden, my grandfather (there was at least one other son from this marriage who died as an infant).  John Hugh later went on to marry Mary Henery and had the following children: May Evelyn (Collins/Miller), John Henry (unmarried), Cornelius (died WW1), Myrtle Nellie (infant death), Violet (Drummond/Tobin), Hilda (Tomsen), Josepha Mildred (Todd), Albert James (infant death), Ivy Lavinia (infant death), Thelma Irene (Friend), Lyley (Bussenschutt).

My grandfather was brought up by his grandparents Henry and Josepha Bawden (nee Matthews) after his mother died, and was probably closer to his uncles and aunts than his own father and step-siblings.  Grandfather came to Victoria in the early 1890s, and all contact with SA seems to have been lost after his father died in 1931.

I have researched the Bawden family for many years, and more recently the Matthews and related families.  I have much to share with you if you are interested. The Bawdens have been a most difficult family to trace (there being no living male descendants with the Bawden name), and I have made contact with no other Bawden descendants (apart from my own line) except a daughter of Violet Tobin.

I look forward to you getting in touch

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Australia / Re: PENHALL of South Australia
« on: Wednesday 22 September 10 00:11 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Colin?  Do you have reason to believe she belongs to my clan?  Would she welcome contact?

John


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Australia / Re: BAWDEN South Australia
« on: Sunday 19 September 10 13:46 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your efforts, Cando.  It is looking more and more like a fruitless search.  Obviously you would suggest other possible avenues to search if you knew of them!

John

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Australia / Re: BAWDEN South Australia
« on: Sunday 19 September 10 13:30 BST (UK)  »
I have just had a thought!  I wonder if Josepha Bawden died under circumstances which necessitated an inquest?  Does anyone know of an index of inquests in South Australia for the period 1868 -1909?  Perhaps I should make this a separate post?

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Australia / Re: BAWDEN South Australia
« on: Sunday 19 September 10 13:22 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for this, Gerry.

John

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Australia / Re: BAWDEN South Australia
« on: Sunday 19 September 10 12:53 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Cando - I have been told she predeceased her husband Henry which would fit in with the assumption one would make from this notice.  Therefore Josepha must have died between the birth of her last child in 1868 and 1909.  I have no reason to believe she ever left SA, so where and when did she die?  It is very frustrating!

John

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