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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Thursday 19 September 13 10:22 BST (UK)  »
Until we see a death certificate, we should assume the individual is not a widow/er.

Even death certificates contain errors- a 'recent' family one lists wife as a widow but we know her estranged husband died 9 years later. His death certificate says divorced but that's not straight-forward either  ;)

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Thursday 19 September 13 10:05 BST (UK)  »
I suppose it teaches us something myluck!

Until we see a death certificate, we should assume the individual is not a widow/er.

I'll follow up on this with interest, I'm not even sure if my father's generation are aware of this story.

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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Wednesday 18 September 13 20:59 BST (UK)  »
I don't think photos were always taken in Irish asylums. I've seen some though and they don't always make nice viewing. The hospital may get you to apply using the Freedom of Information Act. If you're contacting them, I would mention that you're a direct descendant. It might make a difference.

Thanks again, I will try that route, she would have been my paternal great-grandmother.

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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Wednesday 18 September 13 20:53 BST (UK)  »
If your great-grandmother did become a patient of the asylum, it would be worth contacting the hospital to see if the records are available.

I hadn't thought of that, although it was on my mind.  I remember reading somewhere that in the RDL in Dublin, they photographed the patients as they were admitted.

Thanks!

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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Wednesday 18 September 13 16:32 BST (UK)  »
I just sent for a death certificate for a Catherine Kilcar, if it's the correct lady, it may answer some more questions...

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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Wednesday 18 September 13 16:21 BST (UK)  »
If you post the link for him I'll have a look.

Getting caught up in the moment earlier, I forgot to say thanks for your help aghadowey  :)

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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Wednesday 18 September 13 15:53 BST (UK)  »
Is it possible that wife's details are incorrect- i.e. there should be 7 living children?

Do you have the details of all their children? are there 7 and had 2 died by 1911?

If could just be that Patrick didn't want to account for a 'missing' wife on the form and said he was a widower- having a wife in an asylum (for whatever reason) would have been difficult in those days.

The wife's details could be incorrect, as this picture builds it's quite possible she was in a distressed state of mind.

Looking at the names of the 7 children on the 1911 census, I've met 5 of them over the years.  They're all dead now.  However I don't believe I've ever met Catherine or Patrick, and don't know much detail about them.

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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Wednesday 18 September 13 15:41 BST (UK)  »
If you post the link for him I'll have a look.

This is his census return for 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002442908/

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Galway / Re: Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum
« on: Wednesday 18 September 13 15:35 BST (UK)  »
Thought that might be her  ;)

Take a look again at the husband's census page- did he sign and fill it out himself or was he illiterate and someone else did it for him (see bottom of page for signature, etc.). If someone asked him the questions and filled it out imagine the conversation. Name, age, etc. then "Wife?" answer "No" (meaning she's not here), "were you married?" answer "yes" so widower was put down.

Looking at the census return for the first time in a while, I'm confused again? Patrick completed the return himself as he could read and write, however all 7 children are listed  ???

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