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Shropshire / Re: Armoury Court, Wenlock Road, Shrewsbury. Was There a Local Brickworks?
« on: Friday 28 July 17 12:56 BST (UK)  »
Pirhana

I know some time has passed but I have been doing research for a work project and in doing so started reading up about The Armoury. If you haven't already stumbled across it, this may be of interest: http://shrewsburylocalhistory.org.uk/armoury.htm

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: HELP deciphering Bond/Allegation document
« on: Sunday 14 September 14 11:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: goldie61 on Saturday 13 September 14 22:12 BST (UK)
BE it known (?) that upon the third day of
July (?) one thousand eight hundred and eighteen
personally appeared before me Peter Thophan(?)
of the parish of Bronely (?) ------ in the diocese
of Hereford and alledged and made oath that he
is a bachelor of the age of Twenty one years
and upwards and that he intends to marry Sarah
Shenton of the parish of    and  -----------------------
and diocese aforesaid that she is a spinster
of the age of Twenty one years and upwards and
there is no lawfull  let( ?) hinderance or impediment
as he knows or believes by reason of consanguinity
affinity or any other cause whatsoever to hinder
the said intended marriage and he prayed a licence
so solemize the said intended marriage in
the parish church of Bronely(?)  ---------  for
in which said parish the said Peter Thophon
hath had his usual place of abode --------------
--------------------------------------------
four weeks now last past and ?


Sorry I don’t know the people’s names or the place (names are usually the hardest to decipher!) – but you will know more.
It is a pretty much standard licence application, but hand written – a lot were done on pro forma sheets where the names were just filled in, so a lot easier to read. They usually end with ‘weeks last past.’ so I can’t make out what the last word is.
I have left spelling errors in.
Thank you Goldie. The names and places were the only bits I could decipher. Haha.

It's pretty standard then? I was hoping it would have more in there about him/her and maybe their family. I was told that marriages by licence often had to include more details.

Wonder why it was done by license...

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / HELP deciphering Bond/Allegation document
« on: Saturday 13 September 14 15:56 BST (UK)  »
Received this in the post today but I'm useless with reading old handwriting and this just looks like scribbles to me surrounded by a few keywords that I can just about read!  :(

Would really appreciate the help!!

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: STEPHAN - Shelton, Staffordshire
« on: Monday 01 September 14 22:37 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Mumday28 on Monday 01 September 14 21:11 BST (UK)
Hello girls, I have just joined Rootschat and am researching my family tree which has Henry Stephan/Strephon born 1801 married to a Sarah as father of Emily Stephan who married William Edmund Hancock 1840-1903. Wm Ed was born in Madeley, Shropshire, son of Job Taylor Hancock, my 2x great grandfather. Henry was brother of William 1798-1872 and Peter 1796-1877. I know it doesn't help much with Pierre's history but it may widen your family tree. I live just outside Wrexham and intend visiting Madeley and Coalport in the near future to see what I can find out. Best Wishes Hazel

Hi Hazel. Lovely to come across another Stephan ancestor. I am descended from the Peter Stephan 1796 nd knew of the other 3 brothers but thank you! I am slowly getting more info on old Pierre.

Hope you have a lovely time in Madeley/Coalport, it's a beautiful part of the world.

Penny x

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: STEPHAN - Shelton, Staffordshire
« on: Thursday 07 August 14 22:37 BST (UK)  »
thanks Susan x

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: STEPHAN - Shelton, Staffordshire
« on: Thursday 07 August 14 21:49 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: BumbleB on Thursday 07 August 14 21:42 BST (UK)
Yes, I was aware of a possible surname variation, but there was nothing remotely like Stephan.

Marriage Licences were issued by the Diocese - Shropshire was split mainly between Lichfield - north Shropshire, and Hereford - south Shropshire, with one of two areas under Diocese of St Asaph. 

I can't attach the appropriate page here on this forum.  Not sure if I can do it by PM.  I'll try.
Ah I see. Apologies for the questions, I've not done much with older parish records yet. Just getting my bearings!

If the message facility doesn't work my email is penbex86 at Hotmail dot com.

Again thank you so so so much for your help.

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: STEPHAN - Shelton, Staffordshire
« on: Thursday 07 August 14 20:26 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: BumbleB on Thursday 07 August 14 14:38 BST (UK)
I've just got back from Lichfield Record Office.

The 18 December 1801 marriage for Peter and Hannah Johnson - well, you have the entry.  :)  But the venue was St Peter in Stoke on Trent, not St John in Hanley.

I checked baptisms at St Peter in Stoke from 1790-1810 and there are no entries for the surname Stephan. I double-checked with the transcribed baptisms.  This was the only Anglican Church in SoT at that time.

The only other thought is either non-conformist or Roman Catholic, neither of which are at Lichfield.

I did note that the 1818 marriage is by Licence - it might be interesting to see if the Bond and Allegation have survived, and I believe these would be held at Hereford Records Office. I've found that they invariably have an age for bride and groom, apart from being nice to have  ;D

Oh thank you ever so much and yes you're quite right about the church/location of the marriage - thats just me being dopey. I do have it recorded right, it's just that someone suggested St John Hanley to me previously.

They sometimes spelt the surname Strephon too but I'm sure you would have noticed that if you looked through from 1790-1810. Thank you ever so much for doing that, I really appreciate it.

Peter Stephan Snr whom married Hannah was actually Pierre Stephan and was thought to be french-swiss - Do you think it likely therefore that they may be registered as non-conformist births? - I assume they would be held at Staffs or Stoke.

Interesting to learn about the 1818 marriage for Peter Jnr being by license; might be able to get some more info on that. Do you mind me asking why it would be held at Hereford and not the main Shropshire Archives? I'm in Shrewsbury ya see.

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: STEPHAN - Shelton, Staffordshire
« on: Thursday 07 August 14 10:01 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: BumbleB on Thursday 07 August 14 08:27 BST (UK)
Forgive me for this, but I'm not seeing many connections, so far with Staffordshire.  :-\

5 February 1877 - burial of Peter Stephan of Jackfield (Shropshire) aged 81 at Jackfield (Shropshire)
17 August  1826 - burial of Sarah Stephan of Coalport (Staffordshire oops!  Shropshire  ;D) aged 28 at Madelely (Shropshire)
1 August 1850 - marriage of Peter Stephan and Susannah Bradley at Broseley (Shropshire) - William Stephan and Eliza Stephan are witnesses.
4 July 1818 - marriage of Peter Stephan and Sarah Shenton at Broseley (Shropshire) - Elizabeth Stephan a witness.

Added:  any baptism for people of Shelton, pre 1834, would possibly have taken place at St Peter in Stoke.  The parish of St Mark, Shelton was formed 1843, but baptism records commence 1834.

Hi BumbleB!

That's all the right family but you're right that's it's Shropshire based. They moved to Shropshire sometimes between 1802 and 1818, but it's not clear when exactly.

Peter's mother and father married at st John's Hanley in 1801 . I have a copy of the marriage cert and it is thought that Peter Jnr and one or two of his brothers were born in Shelton (or that area) before they all moved to Shropshire.

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: STEPHAN - Shelton, Staffordshire
« on: Thursday 07 August 14 08:18 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Thursday 07 August 14 07:31 BST (UK)
Quote from: penbex86 on Wednesday 06 August 14 22:32 BST (UK)
Anyone going to the Archives sometime soon that may be able to help? Pretty please!

Sorry but I am 'down south'  and Tina is the other side of the world  :(  The records on FindMyPast are I think from what I have seen elsewhere still being loaded to the site.  You may have to be patient.  ;)

Rosie

Thanks for letting me know Rosie. I started researching this branch 3years ago before i got engaged and now I'm married and have a little time to spare, I've become impatient haha. The ones I want are definitely not on FindMyPast yet :(  ... I be also emailed Staffordshire archives to see how much it would cost them to look them up for me.

Have a nice break x

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