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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Bad writing by the Rev
« on: Friday 14 September 12 22:10 BST (UK) »
.... "discharged" might account for the dot, not that it makes much difference to the overall message!
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Sussex Completed Lookup Requests / ****COMPLETED**** Horsham Baptisms 1882, LookUp Please
« on: Tuesday 11 September 12 19:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Carole,
Can I mark this as completed, as I have found out about SussexFHG and intend to join this group in late October and I'll then be able to search parish records every spare moment, without putting any more volunteers to extra work.
Thanks for your initial research.
Best wishes,
Tim
Can I mark this as completed, as I have found out about SussexFHG and intend to join this group in late October and I'll then be able to search parish records every spare moment, without putting any more volunteers to extra work.
Thanks for your initial research.
Best wishes,
Tim
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Dorset / Re: portland convict prison
« on: Monday 03 September 12 18:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Roxanne,
I wonder where your relative was prior to being in prison? I recently made a pilgrimage to Dorchester History Centre, where the staff are very helpful, and if your relative was living in Dorset (or Bournemouth), then you could do worse than to look up the petty sessions records, or maybe Crown Court records, that they hold.
I don't know whether prisoners were sent to jails in other parts of the country in the early 20th C., can anyone else answer this?
Tim
I wonder where your relative was prior to being in prison? I recently made a pilgrimage to Dorchester History Centre, where the staff are very helpful, and if your relative was living in Dorset (or Bournemouth), then you could do worse than to look up the petty sessions records, or maybe Crown Court records, that they hold.
I don't know whether prisoners were sent to jails in other parts of the country in the early 20th C., can anyone else answer this?
Tim
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Scotland / Re: Scottish/Spanish ties
« on: Thursday 30 August 12 21:59 BST (UK) »
There are Spanish names in Oban, Argyll and stories of the survivors of armada wrecks at places including Greenpoint near Poolewe in Wester Ross.
There are more definite historical accounts of armada survivors journeying across ireland, pursued by British noblemen, and making their way back to scotland at Kintyre, Argyll.
Spain and Portugal were allies of the Jacobites; Spain's wealth in particular, was a target of British (i.e. English-sponsored) Privateers in the caribbean and Americas.
Portugal is one of Britain's oldest allies, and there are still old British families in privileged positions in mainland Portugal and Madeira.
Then there's the trade links - Any of Scotland's ports would have had links with Spain and Portugal especially during the 19th and 20th Centuries.
There are some very interesting cases of Maternal DNA from exotic sources amongst people who thought themselves "pure" Scots - One in particular caught my imagination - A woman from the Lothians who has a maternal line going back to the South Pacific islands!
I'm rambling, as usual, but although I agree that, in the absence of extraordinary evidence of a specific connection, it is far more likely that swarthy looks are just part of the inheritance of some very British families, the converse may also be true - From the Peninsula Wars, via Captain Kidd, (from Greenock?), and merchant seamen of 19th & 20th Cs., there have been increasing opportunities for peely wally British men to acquire exotic brides and bring them home to Blighty, following the macho, patrilocal custom of the species.
T.
There are more definite historical accounts of armada survivors journeying across ireland, pursued by British noblemen, and making their way back to scotland at Kintyre, Argyll.
Spain and Portugal were allies of the Jacobites; Spain's wealth in particular, was a target of British (i.e. English-sponsored) Privateers in the caribbean and Americas.
Portugal is one of Britain's oldest allies, and there are still old British families in privileged positions in mainland Portugal and Madeira.
Then there's the trade links - Any of Scotland's ports would have had links with Spain and Portugal especially during the 19th and 20th Centuries.
There are some very interesting cases of Maternal DNA from exotic sources amongst people who thought themselves "pure" Scots - One in particular caught my imagination - A woman from the Lothians who has a maternal line going back to the South Pacific islands!
I'm rambling, as usual, but although I agree that, in the absence of extraordinary evidence of a specific connection, it is far more likely that swarthy looks are just part of the inheritance of some very British families, the converse may also be true - From the Peninsula Wars, via Captain Kidd, (from Greenock?), and merchant seamen of 19th & 20th Cs., there have been increasing opportunities for peely wally British men to acquire exotic brides and bring them home to Blighty, following the macho, patrilocal custom of the species.
T.
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Sussex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Horsham Baptisms 1882, LookUp Please
« on: Thursday 30 August 12 20:42 BST (UK) »
Hi, thanks for your reply. 
Yes, that's him and his parents in Census. Birth Reg was Horsham district; I believe they lived in central Horsham, then later at a place called Roffey, which is now on the outskirts of Horsham. He had older siblings called Charles Morrey (chr 29/11/1874); and James circa 1876.
Thanks for your help
T
Yes, that's him and his parents in Census. Birth Reg was Horsham district; I believe they lived in central Horsham, then later at a place called Roffey, which is now on the outskirts of Horsham. He had older siblings called Charles Morrey (chr 29/11/1874); and James circa 1876.
Thanks for your help
T
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Sussex Completed Lookup Requests / Horsham Baptisms 1882, LookUp Please
« on: Wednesday 29 August 12 21:19 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Is there anyone who can look-up a baptism for me, please?
William CHAMPION, Born: DQ1882 Horsham 2b322
I'm not sure whether C of E or Catholic?
Thanks,
Timoth
Is there anyone who can look-up a baptism for me, please?
William CHAMPION, Born: DQ1882 Horsham 2b322
I'm not sure whether C of E or Catholic?
Thanks,
Timoth
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Records of one Working Class Man in Particular
« on: Wednesday 29 August 12 21:05 BST (UK) » Ha ha ha, Thank you, Brevitas.... It's one part of my family that I am interested in, although I have been known to read research papers about social history on very rare occasions.... Around 1908, something happened in my family that lead to all of them except my GGF staying in institutions for ten or more years. There are lots of fanciful stories about my GGF, but none of them mention that he suddenly moved with his family to Bournemouth, as I recently discovered, shortly before he went a.w.o.l. from his family. He was a bricklayer, so I maybe he thought that the Bournemouth housing boom seemed attractive.... But my family's stories about his fate don't make mention of this move - They had been in S.E.London / Croydon and that's where they went after being in the workhouse. GGF was born in Horsham and after two spells in Christchurch workhouse, the family (minus GGF) were sent there.
I checked out Dorchester Archives, and there was no sign of GGF going into the Christchurch workhouse, (as GGM and children did), or going to Jail or lunatic asylum. (No address or discharge dates for GGM and children, although the second admission was just GGM and youngest child, suggesting that someone was looking after the other children).
I can find no good match for GGF's death in BMD. (William [no middle names] CHAMPION, B: DQ1882 Horsham 2b322).
For me, there is some uncertainty that he had the where-with-all to do anything more elaborate than move in with another woman, (leaving has wife and five children to the Poor Law!). GGF is not in 1911 census, but did he vanish/emigrate, or is it the paucity of records for 'ordinary' blokes from nearly 100 years ago?
My life is about to become busier than ever, and I had told myself that I was going to draw a line under the family tree, so to speak.... But I seem not to be able to let dead GGF's lie, just yet.
All the best,
Timoth
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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Records of Working Class Men
« on: Friday 17 August 12 18:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you both.
I am more concerned with the electoral registers, and other sources of info for the years in between the censuses, and specifically the 1900s.
Having looked at some web based info, it would seem to me unlikely that any of my male ancestors would have been eligible to vote before 1918, being bricklayers.
Trades directories...? It doesn't seem likely to me.... Any ideas?
Timoth
I am more concerned with the electoral registers, and other sources of info for the years in between the censuses, and specifically the 1900s.
Having looked at some web based info, it would seem to me unlikely that any of my male ancestors would have been eligible to vote before 1918, being bricklayers.
Trades directories...? It doesn't seem likely to me.... Any ideas?
Timoth
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Family History Beginners Board / Records of Working Class Men
« on: Thursday 16 August 12 20:31 BST (UK) »
Hi All,
Please can you tell me if / when working class men started to show up reliably in records, e.g. electoral registers and local directories?
Many thanks,
Timoth
Please can you tell me if / when working class men started to show up reliably in records, e.g. electoral registers and local directories?
Many thanks,
Timoth