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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: *COMPLETED*1861 Census Ref. for address in London please
« on: Thursday 19 August 10 13:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi Valda

Many thanks indeed for the welcome .... and for that invaluable info.

That explians a great deal about various bits of London in 1861 !!

Cheers (from a wet Cornwall)


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Cheshire Completed Lookup Requests / Re: COMPLETED 1861 Census HELP ! Findmypast has my man but not Ancestry
« on: Thursday 19 August 10 12:39 BST (UK)  »
Greetings from mizzly Cornwall !

If you do ever find 10yr old Robert Bartholomew Beckwith in the 1861 census, please do let me know ! Ditto his mother Ann nee Bartholomew. Some of Robert's siblings have been recorded with surname Bartholomew but I have tried that too as well as all mis-spellings I can think of.

Robert's father Joseph Beckwith b1776 died in Dec 1860 at the family's "Clarendon" coffee house at 77 Shoe Lane, London EC (not listed in 1861 census as mentioned in other posts).

I too was fooled by the "East London" bit in the FreeBMD register entry until I found that it was the name applied to the eastern part of central London, in Robert's case the parish of St Brides. Mind you, he did later venture into 'real' East London - Poplar no less.

There's a bit more on Robert in para 8.54 of http://www.luxsoft.demon.co.uk/beckwith/tree-1%20notes.html

What's also curious is that although Joseph & Ann ran the coffee house in Shoe Lane in 1851, they had moved to the Walworth / Camberwell area by 1854 and, according to an 1860 trade directory, ran a Coffee House in what is now John Ruskin St.

Ann is still in the coffee house business south of the river in 1871 (166 Bermondsey St) ...so why is Joseph's death recorded in Shoe Lane ?

Happy hunting !


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Australia Lookups completed / Re: Emily Haines BECKWITH - Birth SA
« on: Thursday 19 August 10 11:31 BST (UK)  »
Wow ! Having only fallible & incomplete trees of the two sons of Robert Wm Beckwith who emigrated to Australia late 1850's, this corres is of fantastic help ! Couple of points though ....

- There were three Robert William Beckwiths (Father, son & grandson) born in 19th cent London so on the website www.luxsoft.demon.co.uk/beckwith they have been suffixed I, II and III for clarity. RW (I)  b 1788 d 1876 is the relevant one here - ref 7.48 in /beckwith/tree-1 notes.html - and c1818 he married Ann (Anne) HAINES (sometimes HAINS) .... NOT Harris .... hence the use of Haines as a middle name for Emily and poss also an Emma.

- RW(I) and Anne had 5 children who survived infancy before her death in childbirth in central London in 1833:

 -- RW(II) who stayed in UK (and married a French girl. no comment).

 -- Thomas bc 1822. Disappears after 1841 so he too emigrated ??

 -- Ann - as only girl she acted as housekeeper to father and sundry other rels & never married

 -- James 1828-1872 married Ann(e) Carew Rodman & emigrated c1850 (my Tree No 9). All their children were born in Australia, the 4th of whom I have as Emma Haines Beckwith b 1860 & married one Henry Edwards.

 -- Joseph (1830-1902) = Elizabeth Maria Morris (c1830-1908) - thanks 'cando' for their death dates & locations !  I'll have to compare my list of offspring (Tree 8) with the one posted here of the births in Australia. The couple also had a son before leaving England - Joseph Thomas Beckwith (1854-1930) and he went with them. I have him down as marrying a Frances Emma Bennet (1874 - 1953) in Australia but if as suspected  they had just one daughter, Bertha, that male Beckwith line died out.

Any more info very gratefully received !!

Best wishes

LuxMalc, Cornwall, UK

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: 77 shoe lane in 1861 census
« on: Thursday 19 August 10 10:12 BST (UK)  »
I too have had a problem finding 77 Shoe Lane in 1861 census. It was run as a coffee house by Joseph Beckwith and his 2nd wife Ann nee Bartholomew. Joseph died in Dec 1860 at number 77 but 4 months later it's just not there (and nor can Ann be traced in that census either).

Any info most welcome please !!

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