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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Thursday 25 August 11 17:13 BST (UK)  »
Hi Fel
Thanks for that information - it certainly gives us a bit more background to Matthew. In a previous post ,Tiggertwo mentions aWilliam Abbey born 1733 at Wistow, nr Selby. Do you think that this is Matthew and Mark's father, although she says that he had thirteen children ?

Kind regards
Mocca

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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Tuesday 23 August 11 15:48 BST (UK)  »
Hello Everyone

I think I remember being told that there were two other brothers called Luke and John in this family. Does anyone know whether this is so and also whether there are other brothers and sisters? Was Matthew the only one who went to Russia or did others go too.

Regards

Mocca

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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Saturday 06 August 11 16:05 BST (UK)  »
Hello everyone,
Have been away on holiday so just catching up.
Tiggertwo- I'm sure we are talking about the same Elsie Abbey - when I knew her she was in Sutton Coldfield but given that she worked as a companion she probably moved around quite a bit.

To return to Edwin Austen Abbey and the Huguenots - family legend has it that he belongs to the family. He was an American by birth but came over to this country at the end of the 19th century . He must have been quite well known at the time because he was asked to paint the Coronation picture of
Edward VII and there is a plaque to him in St Paul's Cathedral.
Apparently , there was a belief in his family that their name was originally Abbaye and they were descended from Huguenot
emigres who came to America via Yorkshire. His great great grandfather was Samuel Abbey born in US in 1755 or 60. Has anyone managed to get the family tree back as far as that?

Does anyone know anything about a lady known as 'Baby' who was living in the San Francisco area in the 1970's ?

Regards
Mocca

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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Sunday 17 July 11 18:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everyone

Just a few bits of information stimulated by some of the recent posts.
My ggrandmother's (Lily) family had a property in a place called Kukkola which was on the Finnish side of the Russian border, so they were able to stay there after the Revolution. Eleanor Abbey lived with them and was buried there after her death in 1916. Kukkola is now known as Repino after the Russian painter Repin and is now in Russia.
I was very interested in Fel's mention of the church books in St P. I haven't got much in the way of documentation but it is all from the British and American Chapel in St P which ,I think, was Nonconformist. There was also another church, known as the English Church , which ,I think ,was Anglican.
Just a little bit about Elsie Abbey - after escaping from Russia , she worked in Paris as companion to the wife of a Russian emigre and was interned during the war. She returned to the UK afterwards and I knew her before she died in the fifties.         

Hope this is of some interest.
Regards
Mocca

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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Friday 15 July 11 19:44 BST (UK)  »
Hello Fel
That is very interesting because I have always understood that the family went to Russia to manage estates for landowners and if Matthew had special skills in land irrigation that would support that theory. He was also a witness at William and Eleanor's wedding in Sept 1851 so must have died soon afer that.
William (b.1855) must be the brother of my ggrandmother ,Lily,
but I know nothing about him and would be very interested if you have any further information.

Regards
Mocca

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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Sunday 05 September 10 19:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi Tiggertwo

Yes , we do indeed share the same grandmother but Hessu is descended from her elder daughter and my family come from her younger one.

Mocca

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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Monday 30 August 10 11:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi Myfi

I don't have any information about Matthew although I would be surprised if there was a link between the two wills.


My ggrandmother was Lily ( Louisa) who was married to a William Goffe. Although this is an unusual spelling of this   surname I have never been able to find out where he came from or what he was doing in Russia. 

Mocca

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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Thursday 26 August 10 20:27 BST (UK)  »
Hi Myfi

Thanks for the information about Mary Pollock's will. That is a lot of money when translated into its value today.

Mocca

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Europe / Re: My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 19:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mifi

I have some information about William and Eleanor's family but not all the dates of birth.

        John      (related to Tiggertwo)
        Alfred
        Matthew ( died in Russia sometime before 1917)
        Lily ( Louisa)  born 1854 died 1938)
        William ( born 1855)
        Mary    ( born 1861 died UK 1935)
        Walter (born 1865  died UK  1953 )

Do hope this is useful information.

Does anyone have any information about a painter called Edwin Austen Abbey who has a plaque in St Pauls Cathedral . He was American and painted the coronation portrait of Edward VII. According to family legend he also a member of the family but I'm not sure how he is connected!

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