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Europe / Re: Ottoman Turks internment WW1 UK
« on: Wednesday 25 August 10 09:20 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Carinthiangirl for your reply, which deals with the demise of the Ottoman Empire in the ME during/after WW1.

My focus is much narrower and earlier and relates to UK policy/practice of interning civilian enemy aliens in camps in England at the outbreak of WW1.

Grandpa was indeed Jewish and was born in Petahk-Tikvah, then in Palestine part of the Ottoman Empire.

Through his mother, his family was involved, from 1905, in the developing citriculture industry. So, he came to England as that was one of the export destinations for the crop and was here in August 1914.

His internment was presumably on account of Turkey's alliance with Germany?

What I'm now finding "interesting" is the apparent lack of documentary evidence about the operation of the Internment Hearing Boards: am I wrong about this?

I'm wondering now about newspaper news items as a source of information?

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Europe / Re: Ottoman Turks internment WW1 UK
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 08:26 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for this, Bluebird...
Best wishes,
David

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Europe / Re: Ottoman Turks internment WW1 UK
« on: Monday 23 August 10 11:22 BST (UK)  »
Cheers Bluebird!

Thanks for getting back to me.

I have realised how little documentary info survives as you have confirmed. However, i do have a serach request logged with the ICRC in Geneva, and they have just told me that due to the backlog, it's gonna take between 6-12 months.........oh well...

Is there inforamtion on the Interment Hearing Tribunals?

I don't understand the process whereby my grandfather would hve beeing identified and processed for internment.

best wishes,

David

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Europe Resources & Offers / Re: World War 1 internments in UK - bibliography
« on: Friday 20 August 10 09:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi I'm seeking data on my maternal grandfather who was interned as a civilain enemy alien at the outbreak of WW1. He was born in Palestine and was working on citrus fruit importation into the UK on Ellerman line ships. As a "Turk" he was interned fo some months. I'd also welcome info on the Internment Hearing Tribunals too. I appreciate that there are hardly any personal files surviving about individuals re this episode and I've alos launched a search with the ICRC in Geneva (it iwll take 6-12 months!).
Best wishes,
David

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Europe / Ottoman Turks internment WW1 UK
« on: Sunday 15 August 10 16:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

My maternal grandfather was interned at the outbreak of WW1, as he was born in Palestine, and hence was categorised as an Ottoman Turk. He was working in London in August 1914, for the "Pardess Syndicate" in Covent Garden (organisation of Jewish citriculturalists, ie orange growers). His job was to liase with Ellerman Lines which shipped in the oranges. He was I believe interned in Knockeloe (Isle of Man) but only for some months before being released.
I'm seeking details of internment hearings before the Internment Tribunal Boards and of course his personal internment file....

There's (some) material on Germans, Italians etc but not on Ottomans...???

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