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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Thursday 02 September 10 23:35 BST (UK)  »
I am getting some answers now
Such as
32nd Ft

Capt David Davie's Co:
Pte Smith McDole

Capt Charles Hawe's Co.
Pte James Dumheath

Capt Charles Wallett's Co.
Pte Danl Dumheath. (as Alec states above)

McDole appears rightly so, having been wounded at Quatre Bras.

The surname is so close it certainly appears clerical error. If Daniel Dumheath is Nathaniel Dunsheath,his brother/relative James is also on the NA Archive. A calculated guess here is that Daniel and James are brothers, or at least related.

But now check this WO 97 out for Nathaniel Dunsheath:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cata ... ssmethod=0

then, the brother/relative James:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cata ... ssmethod=0

Now, using the above records, which goes someway to show that Nathaniel & James are both from Antrim, and probably related. This appears to prove what Alec states is that Nathaniel is in fact Daniel on the printed Waterloo roll..


To increase the family tree, maybe Hugh is related too: Who qualified for an MGS clasp Java and appears on the MGS Roll with the 69th.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/cata ... image1.y=0

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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 21:28 BST (UK)  »
The 33rd First Yorkshire West Riding is now represented by an outstanding group that do great displays
For info
The details I have seen show the first day of the battle of the Somme detailing 60,000 casualties the 9 hour battle of Waterloo 51,000 but the main difference is that Waterloo shaped Europe and was the reason for a "relatively" peaceful 100 years whereas the Somme, apart from taking the pressure off the French part of the western front, achieved very little

I will pass on the interesting details of John Common/Cumming which does demonstrate the fact that the majority of soldiers were illiterate but I am sure that Yvonne has checked all spellings
We have commemorated the battle over the grave of Philip Cleer/Clear/Clare each year at Veryon churchyard
If you do want to join in anytime Yvonne, or anyone else, please do contact me

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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 17:04 BST (UK)  »
No Yvonne I agree, it is very unlikely and quite annoying to be dismissed as a  "poor research" error
I think it more likely that  the records do not fill in the gaps with some soldiers detached or elsewhere but still qualify as Waterloo veterans
I do heartily agree with your awarding him a medal for being a forgotton soldier of a forgotton regiment, I will raise a glass (or two) to him and the other veterans when we re-fight the battle on the field of Waterloo next June

If you are OK with it I will pass on your info about James Elliker to the Drum Major of the present 2nd Queens Royal Regiment he will be thrilled 

Please keep the thread going   
Thanks Serjeant

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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Monday 23 August 10 23:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi all

Not a very firm set of answers back I am afraid, some are even saying it is a "poor research" problem which is not very helpful Hurrumph !

Basically most of the replies are along the lines of
 
I have a very nice MGS with 4 clasps to Lt Benjamin Martin, 4th Foot,he fought in North America where he was severely wounded.In one Waterloo roll it is noted that he was at Ostend just prior to the battle of Waterloo.I feel that he may have still been recovering from his wounds and was possibly in charge of some sort of rear party.However he DID get his portion of prize money for the battle (about 35 pounds) and therefor must have proceeded to Paris with the Regiment.I doubt that he received the medal.
Perhaps some of the private soldiers were credited with two years service even if they did not qualify for the medal, because they also finished up in Paris.I do not know if officers also received two years credited service as they had got the prize money

There are several Waterloo medal awards to Officers who may have been at the battle, but were possibly not.
As you suggested he could well have been carrying out other duties, far from the battle, but when the nominations were put forward, it was probably found to be more acceptable to include that Officer rather than discount him.
I am not sure if the criteria actually mentioned "only Officers present at Quatre Bras +/or Waterloo to receive the medal" and there is certainly at least one who was in hospital at the time, yet did receive the medal


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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Wednesday 18 August 10 13:27 BST (UK)  »
That certainly was the case as I understand it for the general service medal which was awarded to those that fought in the Peninsula, but the Waterloo medal was awarded quite soon after the battle

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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Tuesday 17 August 10 21:58 BST (UK)  »
Hi Yvonne

OK we are stumped, we can't find any reason why they wouldn't have got their medals
One suggestion was that they had to be applied for but can't find any evidence to back this up

Mercers account of Waterloo is one of the most detailed, if exaggerated, narratives of the battle but the story goes that he didn't get one either !!!

I think I will have to annoy the real historians of the battle rather than our general interest
When/if I get a reply I will let you know post (or is it Forum nowadays) haste
 Cheers Serjeant

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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Monday 16 August 10 21:02 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Yvonne

That's great information - really puts meat on the bones rather than just names on the regimental role.
Apologies for my blunt army attitude but Nathaniel sounds a bit of a rogue as well marrying his friends daughter when he was the same age as her father

Do you have any info on which churchyard in Connor they are buried in ? ( I am sure that is not grammatically correct but this is too exciting )

Thanks
Serjeant

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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Monday 16 August 10 20:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Yvone

Thanks for joining in - great to hear about more of the regiment - when did Smith McDole join the Regiment ?
Ref Ionian Islands

1815 - 32nd at Netherlands. Brussels. Quartre Bras - 16th June and Waterloo - 18th June. The 32nd, under Lieutenant-Colonel John Hicks, were placed in General James Kempt's Brigade in Sir Thomas Picton's Fifth Division. Paris.

1816 - 32nd at Sheernes, Channel Islands, Portsmouth.

1817 - 32nd to Ionian Islands.

Ionian Islands, group of islands, western Greece, forming an administrative region, in the Ionian and Mediterranean seas. In 1814 the islands became a British protectorate.

Do you happen to know where Smith McDole and Nathaniel Dunsheath are buried ? Did they return to County Antrim after their discharge
Hi Julie
I am sorry to say we can't find reference to Alexander Wyatt
Serjeant


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Armed Forces / Re: 32nd Regiment of Foot 1815
« on: Friday 13 August 10 12:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi Julie
Interesting stuff, we will have to look up Alexander Wyatt - What a story -
Our Commanding Officer is a life member of the Friends of Waterloo and we send all the information on the 32nd graves we find to Janet and David Bromley

Thanks for all the information

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