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London and Middlesex / Re: A vanished Central Criminal Court case in November 1916
« on: Thursday 26 February 26 19:50 GMT (UK)  »
The "sentence" was effectively that he was required/promised to be of good behaviour for  12 months - if he offended again in that period he would be liable to pay £100 ( as would his sureties) and he could be sentenced for the original offence.

Interesting that the following year ( Oct 1917) the other party, Martin Rohan, was sentenced to 6 months in prison for "importuning male persons for an immoral purpose" and was noted to have previous convictions for the same.

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Sussex / Re: Question about birth Cert
« on: Thursday 12 February 26 12:06 GMT (UK)  »
I've never used that form, just ordered direct from GRO .... never had a problem.

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Sussex / Re: Question about birth Cert
« on: Thursday 12 February 26 11:47 GMT (UK)  »
Antony can I ask you about obtaining a certificate? The adoption certificate request form on the Government's website asks for the date of adoption and the name of the court that made the order, presumably if you don't have this info then you can't get the certificate or is this information available on the Adopted Children's register?

Not sure where you are looking - the GRO on-line application only requires the adopted name and date of birth. The vol/page number from the index are required for a simple order(£12.50) but you can order without by paying slightly more (£16)

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Sussex / Re: Question about birth Cert
« on: Thursday 12 February 26 10:47 GMT (UK)  »
Certificates from the Adopted Children Regsiter (ACR) are available with no restriction from GRO and the index is available on microfiche at a small number of designated libraries, but not on-line.

But, as stated above, that won't help connect back to details of the original birth registration. The person, or in some cases a close family member (known as a prescribed relative) can apply to have that information - ring the GRO Adoption section for advice.

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The Common Room / Re: What does this mean on death record? Northumberland
« on: Thursday 12 February 26 10:41 GMT (UK)  »
It is one of the legal qualifications that allows a person to be the informant on a death registration. It is last on the list and used when they don't qualify through any other more closely connected criteria (relative, present at the death etc.). If the informant was her brother it shouldn't really have been used.

It could be a friend, neighbour or perhaps an executor - or can be a hospital/council employee for someone who has no-one else at all.

These days it is commonly used for a cohabiting partner.

Despite the wording it doesn't create any legal obligation on the informant to actually organise the funeral.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Help/advice Regarding a Family Mystery, Please.
« on: Sunday 08 February 26 11:21 GMT (UK)  »
Consider that the marriage could have been planned for the register office, they were common in wartime and often using a registrar's licence to reduce the time needed.

If they did plan that there would be a record in the notice books, which should survive. They occasionally can be found in county archives but most often are still in the custody of the registration office in the district concerned.

From experience I can tell you that getting access to them is possible, but can be difficult ( if they admit to having them at all).

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The Common Room / Re: searching gro birth results with - (dash) for mmn
« on: Monday 02 February 26 13:42 GMT (UK)  »
How can the MMN not be known? Usually it would be her registration, wouldn't it? Or can you register a birth anonymously?

I think there is something obvious here that I've never understood.

Zaph

Because for the new online index GRO use the registration definition of maiden name, which is the name "in which a woman first contracted a marriage".

An unmarried woman has no maiden name, so they show a blank (-).

It is one of the differences between the new and old indexes, there are others, which is why sometimes the results on FreeBMD (or Ancestry/FindMyPast etc.) and GRO don't always match.

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England / Re: in conjuction with.
« on: Sunday 25 January 26 12:31 GMT (UK)  »
Born 31 dec 1910 - registered 10th March 1911 !

Bit longer than the 42 days !

But within the time allowed for free registration.

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England / Re: Birth - Significance of who registers a birth?
« on: Thursday 22 January 26 09:45 GMT (UK)  »
Under common law there is a presumption of paternity within a marriage so that is what allows a married woman to register her child and have her husband entered as the father on the entry without him having to be present to agree ( as an unmarried father would).

If a married woman does name her husband as the father knowing that to be false, or impossible, then she would be committing perjury.

Thanks, Antony, I didn't know that.  So if a married woman goes to register the birth of her child, and names a man who is not her husband as the father, what information is entered in the register, if he is not with her?
In 1916 would the index  still show her married and maiden names?

If the (unmarried) father wasn't present to sign the entry with her as a joint informant, then the father's details would be left blank, whether she named him or not. Her details, if she was truthful, would show her married name and her maiden name which would be reflected in the index.

Many married women having a child by someone else might take the much easier option of just naming their husband - I've seen a number of such examples for women who had been separated, or even widowed, for years. The chance of detection/prosecution would be minimal and it avoided an awkward and embarrassing conversation with the registrar I suppose.

Regarding attestation/enlistment dates you may want to look at the provisions of the Derby Scheme. Many men enlisted under that but then stayed at home waiting to be called for training (my own grandfather was probably one I believe, although his service record hasn't survived).

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/enlisting-into-the-army/the-group-scheme-derby-scheme/

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