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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Newbies first post
« on: Wednesday 14 December 16 11:07 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I came across this, and I have a little extra to add.

It would appear that Robert Sim started his career in the Royal Highlanders, and that he went to India. Based on his later service number, it appears that he transferred to the 1st Battalion South Wales Borderers on or around 14 April 1910, and subsequently returned to Chatham with the battalion at the end of 1910.

As well as his three campaign medals, he also received a Long Service and Good Conduct medal in 1919.

It appears there are two further courses of action:

1a. Write to the MOD Medal Office, and ask as to his medal entitlement. I would also ask if they can let you know when he left the army. There is a remote (and unlikely) possibility that he served elsewhere (such as Waziristan), and the Medal Office could double-check for the legal next-of-kin.
1b. It could be the case that he left the army from 1922 onwards. If this is the case, his service record could well survive, but you would need to find out his seven digit service number as issued in 1920
2. The museum at Brecon has a 1920 Description Book. If he was still in the army in 1920, he would appear in the book. I do not know if you could pay a visit there, or if they will get a volunteer historian to look at it for a fee, but this is worth following up. I do not see any legal reason why anyone can be prevented from asking for this information.

Hope this helps.

Regards

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Armed Forces / Re: South Wales Borderers pre WW1
« on: Wednesday 26 October 11 22:37 BST (UK)  »
I have had the pleasure of dealing with Paul Nixon recently, a true gent.

He advised me of how it is possible to do wildcard searches with WO97 records. The result was considerably more records than 12 months of working with the poorly indexed WW1 Service records (many were missing) and WW1 Pension records (more of these survived than Service records). If you are researching a pre-war regular, I would advise using the WO 97 records as your first port of call.

http://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2011/10/south-wales-borderers-1881-1914-1st-and.html


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The Common Room / Re: Coopers from and to .... all over the place !
« on: Wednesday 20 July 11 20:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi Karen,

I have some detail on the service of a Greenwich out-Pensioner named Robert Cooper.

Regards, GP
http://sites.google.com/site/greenwichadmiraltyinpensioner/out-pensioner-research---a-case-study

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Armed Forces / Re: Greenwich pensioner? more questions
« on: Thursday 23 June 11 22:18 BST (UK)  »
By a complete fluke, I have been advised of a James Wolfindale who was in the Royal Marines. This man was effectively made redundant in January 1832. He had completed 24 years and 9 months service. He was rewarded an out-pension for life. (Source: ADM 6/293)
Two other men with 20+ years service had the same treatment. This looks as though perhaps someone on high has decided to retire all NCOs with over 20 years of service.
I suspect this is the fellow that you are after.

Now would be a good time to hire a researcher, to look into this. Presumably this man was in the Plymouth Division at the time.

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Armed Forces / Re: Greenwich pensioner? more questions
« on: Sunday 19 June 11 09:43 BST (UK)  »
Hello Stewart,
It would appear that this man is another James Wolfenden.

When he entered Greenwich as an in-Pensioner, his entry number was 9127. He died ("Discharged Dead") on 12 October 1847.

His trade was recorded as "weaver". He was married in Eccles in November 1835, and his wife lived in Salford. It is not apparent whether his wife was deceased, or if she was still alive at this time.
Source: ADM 73/47.

Regards

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Armed Forces / Re: Greenwich pensioner? more questions
« on: Thursday 09 June 11 20:49 BST (UK)  »
would it have been normal for him to have been in residence at Greenwich with a wife back in Devon, as it would hardly seem fair that he was being looked after whilst his wife struggled on her own?

Hi Stewart,
Kevin Asplin's transcriptions of admissions to Greenwich indicate that this man came from near Manchester. I did a BMD death search for James Wolfenden, and a number of men of that name lived in Bolton.

Although the certificate of service was processed at Plymouth, he was in the 7th Company when on shore, and I believe that this was a Chatham Division company (number divisble by 3, with a remainder of 1), rather than a Plymouth company (number divisble by 3) or a Portsmouth company (number divisible by 3, with a remainder of 2).
http://www.royalmarinesmuseum.co.uk/item/researching-family-and-royal-marine-history/sdvafvvv


When a man was admitted as an in-Pensioner to Greenwich (or Chelsea, for that matter), he alone was admitted, and his wife and children had to make their own means. Many men found this too great a strain, and became out-pensioners instead. Perhaps this happenned to James, and he travelled back to Bolton.

Best wishes

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Armed Forces / Re: Greenwich pensioner? more questions
« on: Saturday 30 April 11 19:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi Stewart,

This is certainly an interesting document. It would appear that this differentiates between three postings (Conqueror, 2nd Battalion, Cyane) totalling 7 years 8 months and 21 days, out of 8 years 10 days and 16 days. Presumably he was on shore, in barracks, for the 1+ year of remaining time.

The 2nd Battalion came into existence in 1812; there is a wikipedia article on them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Marines_Battalions_%28Napoleonic_Wars%29

It is my understanding that regardless of time served, any Sailor or Marine given a medical discharge had the right to apply to live as an in-Pensioner at Greenwich.
http://sites.google.com/site/greenwichadmiraltyinpensioner/home/
Some men appear to have requested access when they became widowers. Prior to this, they were most likely out-Pensioners, receiving a quarerly payment.

Your ancestor could have set fire to the White House, which is quite an achievement!

Regards

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Armed Forces / Re: South Wales Borderers pre WW1
« on: Tuesday 11 January 11 22:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Steve,
This will, I believe, be my final posting.

Private John Godwin, number 8546, would have joined at the same time as your great uncle. John was invalided out of the Army, receiving a Silver War Badge.

The medal card for the Silver War Badge states that he joined on 3 September 1904.

Thanks
GP

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Armed Forces / Re: South Wales Borderers pre WW1
« on: Wednesday 10 November 10 19:50 GMT (UK)  »
Family stories relate that he served in India at some time in his first tour of duty

Steve
Hi Steve,
I have been concluding my research, and have been in contact with the RRW museum at Brecon. The staff were kind enough to indulge me with some dates of drafts sent to India (along with the numbers of soldiers sent - the individual names have not survived) during 1908 and 1909.

In addition, I was advised of the following drafts from the 1st to the 2nd Battalion; the Regiment was keen that its overseas battalion was kept at full strength:

6 September 1910 - A draft of 148 NCOs and men of 1st Battalion, on transfer to 2nd Battalion, proceeded to Karachi, then Bombay - to UK - transport 'Dongola'. [9867 Ernest Mitchell appears to be one of these draftees.]
 
22 October 1910 - A draft of 239 NCOs and Men of 1st Battalion, on transfer to 2nd Battalion - in South Africa via RIMS 'Northbrook' to Durban.

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