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Cavan / Re: Henry White, Farnadolly, Cavan
« on: Thursday 30 May 19 09:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi Caroline,

I found your posting today and noticed references to the Fyfe and Hewitt families. George Fyfe was my great granduncle. His daughter, Louisa, married Simon Henry Hewitt who was the son of John Hewitt and Mary Ann Johnson. As you said, George Fyfe was the son of John Fyfe, agriculturalist on the Arvagh estate of Lord Gosford.

I have the book, "Arva(gh) - Sources for a Local History" by Francis J. McCaughey (about 1998). There are very few references to Whyte/White and Hewitt families. One may be relevant to you.

Coroneary National School was one of the earliest in County Cavan. It was taken into connection by the National Board in 1834. The original applicants for Grant in Aid were:

Protestant
Joseph Denham,
Presbyterian Minister
James Armstrong
Richard Whyte
Samuel Thorriton
Thomas Johnston
Thomas Green
James Graham

Let me know if I can help you.

Regards

Dennis Fyfe
Sorrento, Western Australia

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Scotland / Re: Scottish farmers hired by Gosford Estates, Ireland
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 11:40 BST (UK)  »
Unfortunately ,when I applied for a Death Certificate I got a reply that no death record could be found. I subsequently found the index entry on FamilySearch.org but have not yet followed up with the Irish authorities.

However, I recall reading elsewhere that Irish death registrations from that era have very little information.

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Scotland / Re: Scottish farmers hired by Gosford Estates, Ireland
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 09:32 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your continued help. The Banff baptism is certainly worthy of followup.

John Fyfe died in April 1868, according to the Arva book. His wife, Margaret, died in 1860. We know nothing of Margaret's family other than that she was born in Cavan in about 1806 (1841 Census).

John Jr was born in 1835 and emigrated to the USA in  the early 1850s. Andrew William emigrated to Australia in 1856. Isabella Crawford and Samuel both emigrated to the USA (dates unknown). George Edward was the only sibling to remain in Ireland.

There are no Isobels that we know of in my family, but my great grandfather, Andrew William , and his brother, George Edward, both named their second daughter Isabella. They also had a younger sister, Isabella Crawford, as I mentioned above and in an earlier posting. So Isabella is definitely a family name in the 19th Century. John, Andrew, George and Samuel also occur repeatedly in the 19th C.

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Scotland / Re: Scottish farmers hired by Gosford Estates, Ireland
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 08:11 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the suggestions, Gadget. Looking for William Blacker's origins is a direction I hadn't thought of. However, it turns out that he was born in Ireland.

Without knowing where John Fyfe came from, it's difficult to meaningfully narrow down the list of baptisms. However, he declared himself to be Presbyterian on the 1841 Census and his children were baptised in the Presbyterian Church in Carrigallen, Co. Leitrim. John married Margaret Crawford and their children, in birth order, were John, Andrew William, George, Isabella and Samuel, so there was no second daughter.

John Fyfe (Senior) could read and write, a necessity for his position with the Gosford Estates. Was that level of education common among Scottish tenant farmers in the early 1800s, or can it be inferred that he came from a middle-class farming family?

We were talking with our travel agent yesterday. She comes from Elgin (NE Scotland) and said that is a rich farming region and there were Fyfes (or variant spellings) in the area.

We will be visiting Ireland next week and hope to find some more information in the Cavan library.

Dennis

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Scotland / Re: Scottish farmers hired by Gosford Estates, Ireland
« on: Tuesday 24 August 10 04:56 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the Gosford Estate links, Gadget. While they provide good background material on the Estates, they do not help solve my puzzle. A cousin visited PRONI and was unable to find any information about where William Blacker hired his agriculturalists although he did find some inbound correspondence from John Fyfe and his son, George, who succeeded him.

My gg grandfather was born in the late 1790s (c. 1799 from his age on the 1841 Census, c.1797 from the Civil Registration Indexes on FamilySearch.org). He married in Cavan around 1833, so he probably arrived on the Cavan Estates from Scotland in the late 1820s or early 1830s.

The book "ARVA - Sources for a Local History" by Frank McCaughey makes several references to John Fyfe, the earliest being in correspondence from William Blacker dated 25 February 1832. The book states "Blacker had a marked predilection for Scottish agriculturists who could be hired for £30 or £40 per annum in addition to a rent free house."

Hence my interest in what part(s) of Scotland Blacker might have done his recruiting.


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Scotland / Scottish farmers hired by Gosford Estates, Ireland
« on: Monday 23 August 10 12:18 BST (UK)  »
My gg grandfather, John Fyfe, was one of several Scottish farmers hired by agents for Lord Gosford's estates in Ireland. They were hired as agriculturalists to educate the Irish peasant farmers in improved farming methods.

We know from the 1841 census that John Fyfe came from "Scotsland", but have no idea where in Scotland.

Does anyone know where in Scotland Lord Gosford's agents recruited their agriculturalists?

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