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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wombourne Burial
« on: Tuesday 28 November 17 17:24 GMT (UK)  »
Agreed. The one you show the index for in the September quarter 1867 is the one I have the death certificate for; i.e. Elizabeth Corns (formerly Rogers), age 27, wife of Joseph Corns, Nailer.

The burial of Elizabeth Corns, infant, 8th September 1867 remains a mystery as there is neither a birth nor death record. If she was stillborn then there would not have been a requirement to do so.

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wombourne Burial
« on: Monday 27 November 17 20:14 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the info Ted. I did speak to May Griffiths whilst she was alive  and I could see she was passionate about local family history research. Unfortunately on this occasion she has either made a mistake or taken a view that the Burial register was wrong.

The entry for the burial of Elizabeth Corns, Infant, was dated the 8th September 1867, not the 18th September 1867. However, that entry appears following an entry dated 13th September 1867. So either the vicar forgot to enter the burial in the register on the day or he mistakenly entered the date as 8th instead of 18th. I guess we will never be sure. There is, of course, the question of who was the infant the child of.

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Cork / Re: Birth/Baptism - John Hamilton - Cork
« on: Saturday 27 July 13 13:41 BST (UK)  »
I have now received a couple of documents from the arcchivist at The Presentation Brothers regarding David Hutton at the Greenmount Industrial School for boys (seniors).

Here is a copy (with her kind permission) of the report that my wife placed on the Genealogists Forum:

In June 1904 aged 9 years and 2 months, David Hutton was admitted to Greenmount Industrial School following four years at Passage West Industrial School. He was 4'4" and stout (!), fair with blue eyes - previous character good and four years of reports from the Greenmount school all stated "A good boy". Educational standard on entry - Reads and writes to 2nd standard. Can add and subtract.

His parents are recorded as John and (blank) Hutton and the box asking illegitimate states No! ('Parents' should read David and Margaret) Address, Aunt, Nora Cunningham, 5 Rope Walk Cork.

His aunt, Nora Cunningham, was one of the people who gave evidence about his circumstances at the original hearing in 1900. The result of the hearing was that David be ordered to be detained from 2nd July 1900 until 29th April 1911 (his 16th birthday) and at that time he had been charged with "Lodging with common or reputed prostitutes and in houses frequented by prostitutes for the purpose of prostitution".

In fact he was released on licence to a Mrs P J Murphy at Killumney (she was a farmer) in Dec 1910.

There is a note on the bottom of the form stating that "He called in May '17. In RFA Fought and wounded".

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So, we found that all very interesting, especially the bit about him calling back to the school in 1917. We are going to have another look at his letters to see if any of his numerous hospital visits might have been due to a wound rather than the bronchitis we thought he was being treated for!!

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Cork / Re: Birth/Baptism - John Hamilton - Cork
« on: Monday 15 July 13 06:53 BST (UK)  »
Here is their web site:

http://www.sistersofmercy.ie/

At the bottom right hand corner is a "Contact us" link. Clicking on it leads to both their snail mail and email addresses.

Best of luck.

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Cork / Re: Birth/Baptism - John Hamilton - Cork
« on: Thursday 13 June 13 16:18 BST (UK)  »
I now have a reply from the Sisters of Mercy Archivist. They tell me that David Hutton was admitted to St Joseph's Industrial School (for juniors) at Passage West on 10th July 1900 and left on 22nd June 1904 to transfer to Greenmount Industrial School (for seniors) run by the Presentation Brothers. I have emailed the Presentation Brothers and unfortunately their archivist is away for 6 weeks so no info from there until the end of July probably.

Reading a pdf file about the school at Greenmount the following statement by the then Bishop of Cork says:

"The object of this institution is to take from the streets poor boys who are on the way to
perdition, to rescue them from vice and misery, and to save the community at large from
the consequences of allowing them to grow up ... untrained, steeped in misery, and with
no means of support save what they can obtain by depredations on the community."


Having seen his mother's prison records, that statement seems to have been made for David Hutton!

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Cork / Re: Birth/Baptism - John Hamilton - Cork
« on: Monday 10 June 13 13:51 BST (UK)  »
Update.

I have now received the birth certificates for David Hutton and his mother Margaret Scannell, both born in Cork City.

I have also received a reply to an enquiry to the Sisters of Mercy who say:

"..I wish to acknowledge receipt of your enquiry regarding records we may hold relating to the placement of your grandfather David Hutton in St Joseph’s Industrial School, Passage West, Co Cork.

St Joseph’s Industrial School was run by the Sisters of Mercy and Mercy Congregational Archives holds the surviving records of the school.

We will search the school archive for any information relating to your grandfather and revert when this is complete..."


So, it looks hopeful that some information on his early childhood years may be forthcoming. I'll let you know as soon as I have any more information.


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Cork / Re: Birth/Baptism - John Hamilton - Cork
« on: Monday 03 June 13 17:48 BST (UK)  »
Had a close look at that entry and I am pretty certain that it is Hutton. It really shows up when you zoom in. Thanks for that. Farm servant fits in with what he stated on his Attestation when joining the army. His mother, Margaret Hutton nee Scannell, lived in Dublin for a while, though she was born in Cork, so maybe that was the reason the head of house gave his place of birth as Dublin.

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Cork / Re: Birth/Baptism - John Hamilton - Cork
« on: Sunday 02 June 13 15:55 BST (UK)  »
Now we know that we are looking for a David Hutton b1895 I have found him on the Irish 1901 census at the Passage West Boarding School Institution Cork in Main St.

Shona from Genealogists Forum comments:

"..The place was the St Joseph's industrial school for boys, run by the Sisters of Mercy, in Passage West, Cork. As with many of these places, it is listed as one where children were abused and tortured.

A book, A Passage in Time - History of Passage West, includes information on the school.

I wonder if there are records?.."

Unfortunately no such luck in finding him in the 1911 census. He joined the army in June 1911 but I don't know where he was before that.

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Cork / Re: Birth/Baptism - John Hamilton - Cork
« on: Sunday 19 May 13 17:21 BST (UK)  »
After 25 years of searching it is beginning to look as if finding him is near.

My wife found a criminal record which showed he had given his address as 96 Horgans Buildings, Magazine Road, Cork, Ireland. Also found in the WW1 Pensions service records was a John Hamilton (David Hutton). Examination of that file showed that he had originally joined the army under the name of David Hutton, been discharged (bad behaviour) and re-enlisted later under the alias of John Hamilton. In one of the entries it shows his mother as Margaret Hutton and on another it shows his address as 96 Horgans Buildings, Cork. So, there is an entry for a birth of a David Hutton in 1895 Q2 Cork which I have applied to the GRO Dublin for a photocopy (much cheaper at 4 euros). Meanwhile a divorce in Dundee was found in the Dundee Courier showing a David Hutton petitioning against Margaret Hutton or Scannell now residing at 36 College Road, Cork (Horgans Buildings back onto College Road). David Hutton had married Margaret Scannell 30 June 1891 in Dundee after meeting her in Cork and bringing her back to Dundee to marry.
The research was carried out by both my wife and the good helpers at the Genealogists Forum and can be seen here:

http://www.genealogistsforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=17548&page=2

There is quite a lot there to read but all good stuff.

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