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Buckinghamshire / Re: Aylesbury Prison 1898-1908
« on: Wednesday 29 December 10 01:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Thank you, I now have access to the British newspapers.  The articles have confirmed a separation of Henry Pope and Louise Adele (nee Atkinson) who appears to have moved to the north with John Gabbitas.  There has also been some suggestion that Louise may have re-married to an Arthur John Smith(?).  This could explain the 'family myth' that Louise had another daughter later; I am still pursuing this.

Regards

Mark

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Buckinghamshire / Re: Aylesbury Prison 1898-1908
« on: Wednesday 01 December 10 03:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hi ,

Thank you for the information.  That is very interesting and does fit with what may have been happening with the family at the time!  Is it possible to advise me how I may access the Standard newspaper report you refer to?

Thank you.


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Buckinghamshire / Re: Aylesbury Prison 1898-1908
« on: Tuesday 16 November 10 10:38 GMT (UK)  »
It could be possible that Louise Adele Pope changed her name upon release. An 1898 newspaper reported that she was charged on remand on 2 January 1898 at Lambeth Police Court for stealing goods from husband Henry.  Are those court records available for viewing? I also understand that people in institutions were recorded in the 1911 census by their initials.  There is an 'L.A.P.' (aged 50, housewife) recorded in that Census for the County Surrey, Reg. District Epsom (#31), Subdistrict Carshalton (#1). Age and initials are right.

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Buckinghamshire / Re: Aylesbury Prison 1898-1908
« on: Wednesday 03 November 10 03:48 GMT (UK)  »
Yes.  Henry (father) and Louise Adele (daughter) are still living together by the 1911 census and Henry still recorded as 'married' but still no Louise Adele (wife/mother) showing up anywhere in that census.  I am now wondering whether it is possible to access the court/criminal record somewhere ...this could give a clue to where Louise A. ended up and for how long. 

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Buckinghamshire / Re: Aylesbury Prison 1898-1908
« on: Tuesday 02 November 10 20:55 GMT (UK)  »
Louise Adele Atkinson born 9 August 1860 in Appley.  Married 1886 to Henry Pope and living in the Newington/Lambeth districts of London. 2 children (Henry Ward (1887) and Louise Adele (1888).  I am guessing that she could still be in prison by the 1901 Census, and Aylesbury seems like a good bet, but her incarceration in other institutions could also be likely.  Otherwise, Louise is nowhere else (that I can see at least) in that Census.

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Buckinghamshire / Aylesbury Prison 1898-1908
« on: Tuesday 02 November 10 12:15 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for Louise Adele Pope (born 1860) who was charged with robbery in January 1898 and may have been in Aylesbury Prison from that date.  Is there a record of prisoners available and does the 1901 England Census record prisoners?  (Louise's son Henry is recorded in the 1901 Census as a boarder with the Ricketts family in Aylesbury).

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Henry Ward ("Harry") Payn
« on: Friday 24 September 10 10:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi,  thank you for the newspaper reference, it looks like our family again! (Louise Adele stole goods worth 44 pounds from husband Henry!). She was committed for trial at the South London Sessions so I will need to see if there are any records there!   Any ideas?  Prison records?

Census details of the Pope family..
1891 census, Newington

Henry Pope Head M 27 Printer – compositor b Bermondsey
Louise A Pope wife 29 Music teacher pianoforte b Appleby Westmoreland
Henry W Pope son 4 b Kensington London
Louise A Pope daughter 2 b Brixton

1901

Henry Pope Head marr 37 Printer compositor b Bermondsey
Louise A Pope daughter 12 b Brixton

you will see them all there...Louise (mother) is a piano teacher (fits in with the family stories).  Yes, father and daughter (Henry and Adele) are living together in 1901 and 1911 and Henry records a 'married' status on both despite no mother there! Henry (senior) born in Bermondsey London in 1863 and Louise (senior) born in Appleby Westmorland in around 1860). 

Will email Shaftesbury Homes now and try my luck.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Henry Ward ("Harry") Payn
« on: Wednesday 22 September 10 13:19 BST (UK)  »
THanks, I obtained a copy of the naval record and it certainly looks like it's Henry!  I also checked the birth certificate and census under POPE and it all lines up  (including a sister with her mother's name - Louise Adele).  So it appears Henry has changed his surname at some point.  The Naval Record indicates that Henry's address upon joining the Navy was "TS Arethusa" which I understand was a boarding and training ship for wayward boys!  I was wondering where I might find lists of boys residing on the "TS Arethusa" (moored on the Thames in Kent) round 1900.  I also can't seem to find Henry Ward Pope or his mother (Louise Adele Pope) in the 19014 or 1911 census (they are all there as a family in the 1891 census).

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Henry Ward ("Harry") Payn
« on: Wednesday 04 August 10 12:57 BST (UK)  »
Harry lived in Christchurch NZ while married to Sophia.  He may have been born between 1884 and 1887 in England (his death certificate and marriage certs  say either Loughborough Junction or Braintree, Essex). It is known (yet) when he arrived in NZ.  Harry married Ella  on 29 April 1930.  The marriage cert stated his age as 43 (16 years older than Ella!).  I have also found out that Sophia may have come from Western Australia, but again unknown how they came together??!!

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