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Warwickshire / Re: Who was the mother?
« on: Saturday 21 June 25 13:54 BST (UK)  »
Yes, the child Samuel Onions's death was reported by a Catherine Yates of 8 Court Moor Street. She is presumably a neighbour. The father, Samuel Onions's death was informed by a surgeon of Queen's Hospital.

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Warwickshire / Re: Who was the mother?
« on: Saturday 21 June 25 10:43 BST (UK)  »
I'm coming back to this person to tie up some loose ends.

The Priscilla Hughes baptised in 1827 was an interesting possibility, despite the age not tallying with the age given on census. However, is it likely that the Priscilla Hughes born in 1827 married William Hancocks in Worcester in 1846? She is listed as a minor, and father's name William Hughes (a nailer). Was age 19 classed as a minor?

The baptism record is interesting because the date of birth is listed, when the majority of others on the page (and many other pages in that record) do not have this listed. Could the 'Born 1st June 1827' actually be 'Born 1st June 1821'? I've looked at it but it does still look a little like a 7. Which doesn't fully explain why the birth date would need to be listed.

I had got Priscilla in the 1841 census (given to me by someone else - I've not actually seen the census image) as follows:

Navigation Street, Birmingham
Willm Richards, 43 - Shop Keeper,  Warwickshire
Mary Richards, 40 - Warwickshire
Sarah Richards, 7 - Warwickshire
Susana Richards,  3 - Warwickshire
Eliza Richards, 1 - Warwickshire
Prisc Hughes, 20 - Warwickshire

It's interesting because Priscilla later married a John Richards, though his father was James Richards.

I've also found today another Priscilla Hughes (spelt Precella) in 1841 in Birmingham as follows:
New Canal St, Birmingham
Charles Hughes 20 - shoe maker
Precella Hughes 20
Catherine Hughes 1
Edwards Letts 20 - show maker (not born in county)
All Hughes's born in county.

Assuming Priscilla and Charles are married and Catherine is their daughter, I looked for them in 1851. No sign of them.

I did find their daughter's baptism though - Catherine Priscilla Hughes born 26 Jul 1840 and baptised 19 Jan 1841. There are no other children of this couple that I have found.

Any ideas if the Priscilla in Birmingham in 1841 (with Charles Hughes and daughter Catherine) could be mine? I know my Priscilla had her first child (Elizabeth Onions) in 1847 with Samuel Onions (who she appears to have never married). I think IF I could find out more information about this family it would at least help to rule them out.

Or is my Priscilla the one living with the Richards family in 1841? If so, is that family somehow connected to the man she would later marry - John Richards (father James).

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Warwickshire / Re: Who was Ellen Robinson and what became of her?
« on: Friday 30 May 25 11:27 BST (UK)  »
There is another George & Mary Robinson on 1851 census - no children

1851c Piece 2052 Folio   186 Page number   46
Gas Street Birmingham      
George Robinson 35 Head occ labourer   
Mary Robinson      21   Wife
James Watkin 42 Visitor
The above George Robinson pob Dudley Worcester and Mary’s pob is dittoed Dudley Worcester
1851c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGZN-DVP?lang=en

This census could be the same family as in 1861? Though the birth place for George is different.
 If so, this is what made me question whether the above George is the correct one, because my Ellen Robinson was apparently born in 1850. Therefore she'd surely appear on this census. Unless, as I said, the Ellen in 1861 really is my Ellen and she was born later than claimed on her marriage certificate and in the 1871 census. In the 1871 census she was living with her husband John's parents so they may not have known her real age perhaps? 

Which then brings me back to the question - where is her birth registration on GRO?

Given the age gap between George and Mary, I do think there's a chance he was married before. If so, Ellen may have had a different mother, or she could be the illegitimate child of Mary Wright.

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Warwickshire / Re: Who was Ellen Robinson and what became of her?
« on: Friday 30 May 25 11:16 BST (UK)  »
@Ladyhawk Thank you so much for looking into this.

On the 1861 census it appears that the ages of George and Mary were written in the wrong place. So the 29 crossed out next to Ellen should have been Mary's age above. I do believe this Ellen was indeed aged 7.

In which case, she couldn't be my Ellen who married in 1868. I doubt she'd have been able to marry at 14? She was apparently 17 at the time of her marriage to John...unless she lied about her age. But why? And was this even possible? She isn't listed as having an occupation on her marriage record, but that might not be uncommon.

IF the Ellen in 1861 is my Ellen, then she would have been born around 1854.

(As an aside, the only Ellen Robinson I could find with MMN Wright was an Ellen Wright Robinson born in King's Lynn in 1848.)

There is an Ellen Mary Robinson born in Birmingham in 1852 - MMN Bosward.

This is a real conundrum. It makes sense that the family in 1861 to be the correct one, because of the father's name George and the Mary living with them. I just can't understand the age given for Ellen. If she really was 7 in 1861 and she is the one who married John Richmond then she must have been underage when she married. However, if she WAS 17 at the time of marriage (making her age in the 1871 census correct) then this family cannot be the right one.



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Warwickshire / Re: Who was Ellen Robinson and what became of her?
« on: Wednesday 28 May 25 15:56 BST (UK)  »
I'm not sure how to look for particular streets in the census. This would be a useful thing to do though.

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Warwickshire / Who was Ellen Robinson and what became of her?
« on: Wednesday 28 May 25 13:33 BST (UK)  »
I'm at a lost when it comes to tracing the parents of Ellen Robinson, born abt 1850.

All I know about her is that she married John Richmond in 1868. On the marriage record, she is listed as 17 years old, and living in Navigation Street, Birmingham. Her father is listed as being George Robinson, a labourer. One of the witnesses of the marriage was Mary Robinson.

I have only managed to find Ellen in the 1871 census, living with her husband and his parents (Charles & Mary Richmond). She is listed as being born in Birmingham on that census.

I know she had two children - Elizabeth (1871-1872) & Charles (1869-1953 - I know a lot about him).

Ellen's husband John Richmond died in 1872. From then on, I have been unable to find Ellen in any census. She may have remarried.

I also have no idea who her parents were. Besides a father's name George and the link to Navigation Street.

Who was Ellen Robinson? I can't find her in census earlier than 1871. Did she re-marry? I would love to know if she went on to marry and have more children.

ADDED INFO: Ellen's daughter Elizabeth, who died in 1872, died at Essington Street so Ellen would have been living there at the time. Sadly the informant of the death is the coroner and not Ellen, so I still don't know if Ellen remarried.

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Staffordshire / Re: Mother dead, so who is the new wife?
« on: Monday 26 May 25 12:02 BST (UK)  »
I think I may have just solved this myself. I viewed the death record for Eliza Hinchliff (died 1840) and the person present at death was an Ann Wilson of Burton.

There is a family (Thomas and Ann Hinchliff) that I found living together in Burton but I'd discounted this family because their children were listed as mother's maiden name Wilson.

Perhaps my Thomas Hinchliff married Ann Wilson after his first wife Eliza Scattergood died, and he continued to have more children.

A possibility?

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Staffordshire / Mother dead, so who is the new wife?
« on: Monday 26 May 25 11:32 BST (UK)  »
I'm getting myself into such a muddle looking for parents of an Elizabeth Hinchliff (born 1833) so need some assistance.

Elizabeth Hinchliff was born in about 1833. In the census records where she appears with her husband (John Stevens), she is listed as being born in the following places:

1861 - Birmingham
1871 - Oldbury, Worcestershire/Staffordshire
1881 - Birmingham
Missing in 1891
1901 - Burton, Staffordshire (living with her daughter Sarah Ann and her daughter's husband Benjamin Hipkiss)

When trying to trace her parents, I started with her marriage to John Stevens. She married him in 1859 in West Bromwich. Her father is listed as Thomas Hinchliffe.

I couldn't find her in the 1851 census, but I think I've found her in 1841, living in Burton upon Trent as follows:
Thomas Hincliff - 30 - Tailor - Born in county
Ann Hinchliff - 20 - Born in county
Elizabeth Hinchliff - 8 - Not born in county
Eliza Hinchlif - 5 - Not born in county
Fanny Hinchliff - 3 - Born in county
Mary Hinchliff - 1 - Born in county

As Elizabeth was born pre-1837, I looked on GRO for her younger siblings and found both Fanny and Mary were born to a mother with the maiden name Scattergood.

However, I found no marriage between an Ann Scattergood and Thomas Hinchliff. I then looked at Mary Hinchliff's birth record (from 1840) and her mother is listed as Eliza Hinchliff (deceased). GRO does have a death record in 1840 of an Eliza Henchliff, who died aged 30.

There seems to be an Eliza Scattergood who married a Thomas Henchliff, a tailor, in Derbyshire in 1832. If this is the same couple, this could be why their daughters Elizabeth and Eliza were not listed as being born in county in the 1841 census.

Now I'm muddled. I think this family is my Elizabeth Hinchcliff (born abt 1833) who's father's name was Thomas Hinchliff. If it is, and her mother Eliza died in 1840 (during childbirth of her sister Mary), who is the Ann Hinchliff (age 20) living with Thomas Hinchliff in 1841?

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Worcestershire / Re: William Harbidge - Dead or Alive in 1851?
« on: Thursday 01 May 25 20:29 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much all! I had a feeling the William who died in 1851 could be more likely but the one alive in 1861 really threw me.

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