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Hi Tina the elder brother (my wife's great uncle) was Raymond Benge born 1917 or 1918 Wandsworth London. Died 2004. He served in the Royal Navy from the mid 1930s and survived 2 sinkings during the WWII.

Cheers for the information on Herbert Rands Pauline, another forum I have asked on has thrown up the same information following is a direct quote

"Mary Jane Revell was shown in the 1901 England census as the sister of Robert P. Revell. Her birth appears to have been registered in1887 (GRO Births Jul-Aug-Sep 1887 Sculcoates vol 9d page 179). There was also a birth of a Mary Jane Revell in 1884. A Mary J Revell married a Herbert William Rands at Sculcoates in 1905 (GRO Marriages Q4 1905 Sculcoates vol 9d page 459).
Then she vanishes from the records.
A Herbert William Rands was recorded in the 1911 census as a 25 year old joiner who had been married five years and had three children of which one had died and two were living. He was residing with his widowed mother Louisa Catherine Rands. Also at the house was a grand-child Elizabeth Begby Rands aged 1.
The birth of Elizabeth Begbie Rands was registered at Sculcoates in Q2 1910. Missing from the census was Mary Jane Rands and another living child.
There was a Mary Jane Rands, aged 26 (1885) who was shown in the 1911 census as a single servant, born Hull, in the household of William Jansen (Jansfen?) a music professor living at Ferriby. She could not be found under that name in any earlier census.
If Mary Jane were the widow of Herbert Rands she may have re-married"

We have  a fair bit of information regarding the Benge family and until 1910 William Benge was still living in Sussex with his first wife and their children so it is unlikely Elizabeth Begbie Rands has anything to do with the Benges. Thanks again for the information however.

Bill

Hi,

I am doing some research on behalf of my 92 year old grand mother-in- law. She is interested in finding out details of her mothers family, as she never met any of them and until recently she believed her mothers maiden name was Rands.

Her mother was (as far as we can tell) Mary Jane Revell born in Hull sometime in the 1880s. My grandmother-in-laws birth certificate shows her mothers maiden name as Rands but her older brother (now deceased) shows it as Revell. Looking on the Yorkshire BDM I have found a marrige between Herbert Rands and Mary Jane Revell in Hull in 1905 so I'm assuming that her maiden name is Revell.

Any information on Mary Janes family would be much appreciated. Here is a summary of what we have worked out so far:

1881-1887 born around this time in Hull Yorkshire
1905 Marries Herbert Rands
1916 Living in Wandsworth London with William Benge possibly married
1918 Son Raymond Benge Born
1919 Daughter  born (Grand mother-in-law)
1928 William Benge Dies
1928 Marries Tom Seldon
1928 Living with Seldon in Ottery St. Mary
1931  Tom Seldon Dies
1932 Marries John Trivett
1954 John Trivett Dies
1959 Marries William Deacon
1974 Mary Dies Exeter