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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Friday 24 January 25 17:32 GMT (UK)  »
From mentions in newspapers and baptisms these suggest Emanuel had moved to Coalpitford by 1799, around the time the newspaper article states that the partnership at Fenton Low Colliery was being dissolved.By 1819/20 he appears to be back in Bucknall
Baptisms of Emmanuels children:
 Bucknall St Marys- 1793-1797
 Cheddleton St Edwards 1799-1805
In 1798 at Bucknall he gives his contact details as Birchgate near Bucknall
the Uk Land Tax Redemtion states more generally at Eaves for 1798.
He appears on the game lists still in cheddleton in 1818 and then from 1820 in Bucknall.(1822 a sale of items at Bucknall and game list 1830)

Jervis also appears on a couple of the same lists and in 1806 says he is a gamekeeper at "Cunsall ,otherwise Consall" which is interesting as this is a similar spelling as John Forresters will of 1747 previously mentioned"Cunshall"
Churnet Valley Timeline mentions " C1750
A forge is established at 'Cunshall' - the place is now called Consallforge."


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Friday 24 January 25 11:56 GMT (UK)  »
This is the newspaper clipping dated 18 Dec 1802

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Thursday 23 January 25 20:41 GMT (UK)  »
Had a look at the blog, great stuff.
https://feledziak7.wordpress.com/2024/11/18/emmanuel-forrester-1769-1836/
With Emanuel Forrester Snr b abt 1769-1836  it shows he was doing pretty well.

This is from a newspaper clipping 1802 during the time he was at Coal Pit Ford nr Cheddleton:
                                          TO BE LET,
                             And entered upon immediately,

Two Lime Kilns, at Basford Bridge, near Cheddleton, and one at Froghall, all adjoining the Caldon Canal; a Colliery at Shafferlong, near Cheddleton, and an overshot Water Wheel, 40 feet high, and another Wheelrace nearly finished, for an overshot Wheel, 30 feet high. The Colliery comprises two Veins of Coal, one extremely good for house use, and the other for burning of Lime. The Water Wheel and situation for the other are within half a mile of the Caldon Canal, and well adapted for Flint Mills or other Manufactories.

For further particulars apply to Mr. EMANUEL FORESTER, at Coal Pits Ford, near Cheddleton.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Sunday 19 January 25 12:18 GMT (UK)  »
Good work with the blog Martin,will have a good look.

Hi BushInn1746, Jervis was an interesting character and sad how things turned out

Obituary  Saturday 1 November 1845 Staffordshire Advertiser
                                       Death of a singular character
We have to record the death, on Tuesday last at the age of 73 years of Jervis Forrester, a person whose eccentricities have long caused him to be well known in the north of this county. He was for a considerable period the Landlord of the Cellar-head Inn, then a much frequented public house at the point where the Hanley and Cheadle, and the Leek and Sandon roads intersect each other, near Werrington. Some years ago, after having carried on with supposed success, the multifarious occupations of publican, farmer, Maltster, brick maker and master collier, he was declared bankrupt an his creditors were great losers. Forrester himself declared, that has be been entrusted with winding up his affairs, his estate would have been sufficient to have met all just demands; and he is said to have made the curious vow, that he would not be shaved, not have his hair cut, till all his debts were paid. Be this as it may, his conduct, henceforward, he was remarkable for eccentricity. He allowed his beard to grow till it rivalled that most venerable Israelite; and his flowing locks reached over his shoulders. He was a tall man, and as if yet not sufficiently remarkable, he mounted a huge fur cap, like a grenadier's and wore a large blue cloak with a red collar. Thus accountred and sometimes led by one dog, but occasionally by two or three of of his canine friends, he wandered about the country, sometimes selling matches or tracts, at other times singing hymns or ballads; now conversing with proprietary on religious subjects, and anon found in the most profane company. He was a visitant at all the wakes and fares in the country. We need scarcely say, that in his peregrinations he met with much ridicule and arrogance, which he bore almost unmoved. He generally attended a place of worship on the Sabbath, and regularly communicated with apparent devotion at one of the churches in the potteries. Last Sunday he went to Leek wakes and was insulted and abused by some drunken men. In the scuffle he was much bruised. On Monday he returned to his lodging at Wetly Rocks; he complained of the treatment he had received appeared ill, and died on Tuesday afternoon. The report that his death was the consequence of the ill treatment he had received, caused an inquest to be held at the Powy's arms before John catlow Esq. Captain Powys and Mr Russell the superintendent of police at Leek were present. The evidence of Mr Tomkinson, surgeon of Cheadle was taken, and although there was general opinion that the ill treatment he had suffered must have had a serious effect upon a person of his age, yet in the absence of positive proof, that his death attributable to other then natural caused a verdict to that effect was returned. He has left a widow and eight or nine children, but domestic difference had estranged him from them. His forlorn condition excited much pity among those who knew him under other circumstances.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Friday 17 January 25 19:51 GMT (UK)  »
Just checked back and read the posts.Hi AndyForr.
Still keeping an eye out for DNA matches. No new info but did have a look at Emanuel Forresters mining area on the tithe map at Wryley, for those with a Wyrley interest.
This is just the area identified on the Tithe map circa 1842

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Thursday 28 March 24 11:08 GMT (UK)  »
maybe staffordshire archives might have a copy of the deeds,might be worth asking. Good luck

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
I had a quick look and so far got back to a marriage of Benjamin Allen and Ann Poulson 1690 at St Peters Stoke. The baptism's of some their ,at least, 8 children gives the father as Benjamin of Ubberley. Not sure if this refers to the Hall or farms at Ubberley such as Holly Greave but presume the Hall. This is the line of Allen's where I'm pretty sure Samuel in the newspaper comes from so likely Benjamin was at the Hall
 May be worth considering opening a seperate forum page just for this and see if you can draw anyone else in?
The only earlier reference I've seen to the Allen's at Ubberley Hall is Elizabeth Bass brief mention on the back of "From Wetley Moor to Bucknall Sands" with the old photo of the Hall. There's also a photo in Neil Collingwoods book "Bucknall to Cellarhead" taken I think in the 1950s.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Tuesday 26 March 24 20:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Alice, I havent researched Ubberley Hall other than the Forrester connection ie from Joseph Lymer's time at Ubberley and his daughter Maria's marriage to Hugh Forrester who then began the Foresters line at Ubberley Hall. I previously saw the 1873 newspaper mentions of Samuel Allen's windfall with the deeds and this saying the Allens had the Hall back to the William the Conqueror .
Theres a mention here of Ubberley Hall which suggests perhaps not quite back to William the conqueror.    https://www.oocities.org/soho/3753/light3.htm
Maybe others others have researched it on ancestry? A starting point might be Benjamin Allen as he is at Holly Grove next to Ubberley Hall on the 1841 census or maybe Henry William Ubberley Allen born 1830 baptised Bucknall which sounds like he might be connected to the ancient allen line?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Jervis Forrester, Hope and Anchor pub
« on: Friday 16 April 21 15:39 BST (UK)  »
With William Murhall this was allegedly  to have been about the locally well known origin of the place name Tomkin with the rather unpleasant story of his Jacobite prisoner being flayed alive, Toms Skin. Tomkin being right in the heart of the Forrester farms in the area such as Coalpitford, Wistonshaw etc.

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