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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Request for Clemency help
« on: Sunday 16 November 25 09:33 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Request for Clemency help
« on: Sunday 16 November 25 02:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

Does anyone know what the second word in this might be. Its a request for clemency.


Yarmouth, ? in strong terms where Mason was well known and where his wife and relatives now reside.

For context and help, the previous page and paragraph starts with

The petition is supported also by a memorial from the inhabitants of Great

Thanks for any suggestions

Cheers

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Kent / Re: Land in Woolwich, Plumstead and Greenwich
« on: Friday 14 November 25 09:53 GMT (UK)  »
George seemed to have a finger in lots of pies from newspaper reports (+ a very well stocked cellar).

Thank you. I would almost guess this might be him. Robert ended up being a licensee of a pub in Van Diemans Land where he subsequently died in the 1860's.

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Kent / Re: Land in Woolwich, Plumstead and Greenwich
« on: Friday 14 November 25 09:52 GMT (UK)  »
I'm afraid that I haven't found anything in the tithe records.

Looking for a landowner called Borrett seemed like the most likely option since the events happened well before the tithe survey date.

An exact search for landowner = 'Borrett' gave 255 results mainly in Norfolk and Suffolk.
There were none in Kent and I also looked further afield (Sussex, Surrey, Middlesex) without finding any. There are some Borrett records from Essex/Dagenham, but looking more closely I couldn't see any evidence that they were relevant.

If I broaden the matching criteria then a search for 'Borrett' in Kent turns up lots of 'Barratt', 'Barrett', 'Burt' etc. However if I focussed this broad search I got:

Kent/Greenwich/ 0
Kent/Woolwich/ 0

Was the case reported fully  in newspapers? Such a report may give more details about Borrett's full name. When exactly was the conviction?

I can see a couple of prison records around that time for a Robert Mason, Kent, and I saw newspaper reports from March of a man of that name being convicted at Greenwich of 'uttering a forged bill of exchange for £30' and later being transferred to a prison hulk at Sheerness.

Thank you Alan for looking. Looks likes you spent a lot of time, appreciate that. Yes, that Robert Mason is my grandfather. Uttering a forged bill of exchange. He was sent to Australia on board the Henry Tanner. I havent really searched the British newspapers much (No subscription).

Thanks again

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Norfolk / Re: Mason Family from Great Yarmouth
« on: Friday 14 November 25 09:46 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure about that Sarah being yours.

Although I may be way off here!

Baptism;
13 Oct 1829, St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth
CAROLINE, Daug of JAMES/CAROLINE Mason
Father a Shipwright   

Burial same Church;
CAROLINE Mason 14 Aug 1833 age 27

JAMES Mason married Caroline GRANT 23 Jul 1826

1851 2 doors down from Sarah Mason age 73 and Caroline age 21 is James and new Wife;
James born 1803 GY and a Shipwright

He married Elizabeth GOODWIN 5 Oct 1845 Widower, Ships Carpenter, Father ROBERT a Carpenter

Sophia Mason born 1839 was illeg;
GOODWIN, SOPHIA  ELIZABETH     - 
GRO Reference: 1839  M Quarter in GREAT YARMOUTH  Volume 13  Page 357

Thank you, Trish - I have found this info too and have considered it as James being another child of Sarah, making him my grandfather Roberts brother. Caroline that would be roberts niece is interesting because he did have a daughter in Australia called Caroline as well.

Robert had a petition for clemency signed by a lot of great yarmouth residents, unfortunately no clues there or any of the above names included beside his mother and first wife.

Will make for a great story when i solve it all. His life in Australia is fascinating as it is.

Thanks again

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Norfolk / Re: Mason Family from Great Yarmouth
« on: Thursday 13 November 25 03:04 GMT (UK)  »
Great thank you. Definitely something worth looking into.

I cant seem to let go of the fact of having the same surname means something.... but who knows. And i dont like to presume anything until i have enough evidence.

Thanks again

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Kent / Re: Land in Woolwich, Plumstead and Greenwich
« on: Thursday 13 November 25 01:46 GMT (UK)  »
If you are looking for historic maps of the area go to the National library of Scotland collection. You can use their side-by-side feature to compare an 1830s map with a modern map of the same area.
If you are are looking for land ownership records, then I would start with tithe maps for the area. You may find these in the Kent Archives in Maidstone, although it is possible that given the proximity of Plumstead etc to London (and obviously today they are part of London), the London Archives may also hold relevant records. The London Archives are currently closed for their annual stocktaking. And one other archive which might be worth checking is at Charlton House in Greenwich. This is the official archive for Greenwich Borough Council.

Great thanks for all those links. I have used the Scottish one before but for WW1 trench maps, i didnt even think to look there too. In in Australia, so visiting archives offices isnt possible, im just relying on what I can find online, and being different records I wasnt sure what they were called over there in the mother country.

Thanks a lot for that

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Kent / Re: Land in Woolwich, Plumstead and Greenwich
« on: Thursday 13 November 25 01:43 GMT (UK)  »
If you give your ancestor's name I can have a look at tithe records (~1840) although there is no guarantee that the relevant area was included in the survey.

Tithe records record the names of owner and (often) occupier, and it is possible to locate plots in relation to modern maps.

Added: I just had a quick look and that area does seem to have excellent coverage.

Great thanks you.

My Grandfather was Robert Mason, originally from Great yarmouth he moved to Kent to work for Henyr Mason (unsure if a relative or not). The following is an except for his petition for clemency when nhe was found guilty of fraud:

In 1831 or 1832 he took a lease of some building ground of Mr Borrett of Greenwich with an understanding tha the would be supplied with money by a Mr Calvert, as the buildings progressed, on mortgage, to the amount of £500. The first house was built for a Mr Fry, for which he was to pay £46 per annum, the second house was building for a Mr Heymer, for which he was to have had a premium of £100, and a rental of £36. Unfortunately for Mason, Mr Heymer died before his house was half built and Mr Fry threw his house upon Masons hands because it was not finished at the time appointed.


Due to being handritten i may have the names incorrect, but this is the best i can make out. Im in Australia, so visiting physical locations isnt possible.

Thank you so much
Cheers

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Kent / Land in Woolwich, Plumstead and Greenwich
« on: Wednesday 12 November 25 02:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone,

In the early 1830's my grandfather leased some land in woolwich, plumstead and/or greenwich for the purpose of building houses.

There is a long story around it, and i have the relevant names, im just wondering is there anywhere i can look to find where that land was located? (As in the address and its current day location). in other words, land ownership records.

Many thanks.

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