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Unwanted Birth, Marriage, Death Certs A to G / GEORGE/STOCKER marriage, 1883 Middlesex
« on: Wednesday 21 July 10 17:21 BST (UK)  »
Copy of marriage certificate, St Luke's Finsbury, 22/7/1883:

John Thomas GEORGE, 29, Bachelor, Engineer, 40 President Street, John George, Woollen manufacturer

Emma Elizabeth STOCKER, 23, Spinster, -, 40 President Street, John Stocker, Gold Beater

Witnesses John STOCKER, Alice Annie MONEY

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Dorset / Re: How do you pronouce "GORDGE"?
« on: Wednesday 21 July 10 07:30 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the link Ruskie.

I'm still blowing the dust off my notes and re-exploring so I'm not ready yet to ask specific questions, I'm more interested for now in the general issue of the possible variations in the name.

At a time when many of the people concerned couldn't write their own names I think it's a case of how the same sound was spelt rather than how the same letter was pronounced.

If I spoke my name to a vicar in Charmouth and he wrote "Gordge" and a vicar in Wareham wrote "George" they would still be writing the same name/sound.

By the end of the 19th century when most of the people could write their own names, they would learn to write what the vicar/teacher told them to write, so the spelling of the name would crystallise with different spellings in different areas.

The current pronunciation of the name Gordge would give a clue as to whether Gordge and George could have had the same origin.

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Dorset / How do you pronouce "GORDGE"?
« on: Wednesday 21 July 10 06:37 BST (UK)  »
Hello all, I'm getting back into my research after a break of 10 years, looking through my notes and picking up the threads.

Most of my ancestors back to the early 19th century are from the Dorset and Hampshire area, but the GEORGE line peters out in the Corfe area.

One thing I've noticed is there are a lot of GORDGEs and GORGEs around the Charmouth area, and I'm wondering whether any of my people could be among them.

Can anybody tell me whether the G at the startg of GORDGE is pronounced like a J as in jam, or like a G as in gooseberry?

I've found some overseer's letters where Elizabeth GORDGE and Elizabeth GORGE seem to be the same person. I've also fouind some baptism records where GORDGE, GORIDGE, GORADGE and GORINGE seem to be used for the same two parents. Possibly the vicar couldn't spell or the mother had a bad cold, but it suggests those names would have been pronounced with a hard "G".

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can you read the bride's father's name?
« on: Wednesday 21 July 10 05:55 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks for your help everybody, I'm going to go with "is unknown" and forget it!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can you read the bride's father's name?
« on: Monday 19 July 10 14:29 BST (UK)  »
Yes it is blank.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / COMPLETED: Can you read the bride's father's name?
« on: Monday 19 July 10 14:09 BST (UK)  »
This is part of the marriage register entry for the marriage of Robert George and Jemima Aplin. I know Jemima was illegitimate and her mother was Phoebe Aplin but I have never been able to find any clue as to her father.

I got a copy of the certificate from the register office and they transcribed it as "Lyuri Prow" so I printed this copy from the microfilm but I still don't know what it says.

I've been pondering over this for 10 years or more, and eventually decided it might just say "is unknown". It looks like the pen had a fresh charge of ink before this part was written and it's not the neatest of hands.

Can anybody see anything else in it please?

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The Common Room / Re: Natural daughter
« on: Monday 19 July 10 07:20 BST (UK)  »
I have an ancestor who was illegitimate, but was acknowledge by the father in a bastardy bond, and was left a trust fund in the father's will, where he was called his 'natural son'.

The father was a prosperous man (I think he was a widower but I'm not sure) and the mother was poor.

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