RootsChat.Com

How Jude

And connected to the thigh bone ... Love it, and so true.

Just one question - did you ever find out where Amelia was born?  I've tried numerous States and name variations without success.

One thing I thought you and other readers of this post might be interested in - have you come across the Female Convicts in Van Diemen's Land database? It is relatively new and has a wealth of information about May Ann Heffernan and all her misdeeds.

The FCVDL also lists info on her children transcribed from official records and solves one little mystery.  Henry Charles Perry was born on 31.10.1846.  A transcriber notes that the mother's name was incorrectly entered as the child's name.  I always thought there were too many Mary's in this family.

Also, I'm not convinced Daniel Perry belongs to them.  There were at least 3 George Perry convicts in Tasmania at this time.  On Bridget's birth entry in 1949 our George is listed as a musician.  In Daniel's death entry, the father is listed as a sawyer, in the same year.  So think he probably is not ours.

I obtained George Henry's death certificate, but it was not a great deal of help.  The eldest son, William, supplied the details, but instead of providing the names of his father's parents, he provided his own!!!!  He did get the age right, though.  At this time,1878, he lists 4 children still living - himself (aged 35), Charles (33), Amelia (31) and Bridget (19) - plus 9 males who had died!  So got his sisters ages mixed, and obviously didn't have a clue about all the babies who died, because we know at least some of them were female. 

Anyway, thought the above may be of interest

Cheers, Linda

Hi Sue

Thanks for the pointer to the other thread - I had seen it, but the details at that time didn't make a lot of sense.  They do now.

I obtained the Brightwell death certificate and note that the informant was a C.Walduck.  So it looks like he was Flora's last partner - interesting lady!

And having researched the Sole line for many years, the name Clara Clifton Pepper has a very familiar ring - as the wife of the eldest Sole brother, James.  I'll have to delve into that a bit more.

The reason I started looking at the Perry's was that they are so inter-linked with the Soles in the circus world, and I've been trying to make sense of the connections.  Still some way to go, I suspect.

Cheers, Linda

Hi everyone

Many thanks for all your help - I thought I'd let you know that I think I've resolved the differences between "my" Henry WEBB and tmisty's Henry Charles WEBB (we have had some off-line correspondence).

I spent a bit of time looking for another Henry who could be the one who married Hannah Stubbs in 1810, but I haven't found any obvious candidates in Great Brington.  However I did find them in the 1851 Census in Titchmarsh, and also found Henry in the 1861 Census at the same place (when he appeared to have remarried).  In both those census returns his birthplace is listed as Denford, Northampton.  As this is where his wife was born, and where he married, this seems plausible.  I looked up FreeReg and found the baptism of a Henry, son of Henry and Ann Webb, in Denford on 14 June 1789.  That fits in with the census info, where birth years tend to move around a bit.

I'm pretty sure the Henry Webb who was born in Great Brington in 1791 belongs to my line, as I believe the family farm passed to him from his father, and then down to his son George who subsequently emigrated to Australia.

I've just had a look at a large scale Atlas and think I have discovered where all the confusion may have arisen.  Denford is very close to Titchmarsh, which in turn is only about 7 kms (as the crow flies) from Brington.  Great Brington, on the other hand, is about 50 kms away.

So I think this strongly suggests that the Henry of Great Brington born in 1791 is mine, and the Henry of Denford (near Brington) born in 1789 is tmisty's.

Hopefully further research will provide more evidence to support this.

Once again - thanks for the assistance
Linda

Hi

I think I am trying to follow the same family of WEBBs as tmisty, but my information is somewhat contradictory.

My ancestor is George WEBB, born in 1828 and baptised in Brington on 21/9/1828.

George married Maria ADAMS in London on 3/11/1850.  In the 1851 Census they are shown living in Brington and George is listed as "Farmer of 246 Acres Employing 7 Laborers".

George and Maria emigrated to Australia in 1861 with their son, Farndon George WEBB (my great-grandfather).  Both died in Brisbane in 1900.

Australian death certificates contain a great deal of information.  In the case of George WEBB, his father is listed as "Henry WEBB, farmer" and his mother as "Esther WATSON" and his birthplace as Brington, Northamptonshire.  It also lists where he was married and the duration of his marriage.

I found transcriptions of headstones of St Mary the Virgin w St John, Great Brington on the internet (http://www.greatbringtonparishchurch.co.uk/1411.html) for a John and Esther WEBB.  The details were:

Esther WEBB died 27 October 1837 aged 51 years, wife of Henry WEBB died 23 March 1841 aged 49 years.

I believe this is the Henry WEBB who was baptised on 20/11/1791 - it matches the details on his son's death certificate (the information was provided by George and Maria's son).  I don't think it is the Henry Charles WEBB who married Hannah STUBBS and died in Titchmarsh in 1865. 

The WEBB family appear to have suffered more than most with losing children young.  Henry and Esther had 12 children, of which my ancestor George was the 11th (and 4th boy), yet he appears to have inherited the family farm.  Henry's children, all born in Brington, were:

Mary Ann Watson b. 1813 d. 1838
Harriott  b. 1814 d. 1816
Rebecca  b. 1814
Matilda  b. 1816
John  b. 1818  d. 1840
Betsey b. 1819  d. 1838
Henry  b. 1821  d. 1822
Esther b. 1822  d. 1822
Helen  b. 1824  d. 1838
William  b. 1825  d. 1852
George  b. 1828, d 1900 in Australia
Henry Robert Watson b. 1830, d 1840

Their fortune did not improve in the next generation - George and Maria ADAMS had 14 children, of which my ancestor Farndon George WEBB was the only one to survive infancy.

I think I am correct in making these connections because it would explain how George WEBB came to be in charge of the family farm in 1851.  John WEBB died in 1825, at which point the farm would pass to his eldest son Henry.  Henry died in 1841, at which point I assume his 3rd son William would inherit (the older 2 having already died), then on William's death in 1852 it passed to George.

I'm still doing more research on this to see if William married and had any children - maybe George and Maria were only "looking after it" until William's children grew older;  or maybe Henry left the farm to George after the two older sons died.  I'm looking for a will to help me here, as it really is conjecture.

But I guess the bottom line is that I don't think tmisty's Henry Charles WEBB is the son of John WEBB and Anne DICKS.

I'd be really interested if anyone has any additional information that would shed some light on the contradictions between what I have found and what tmisty has found.

thanks,  Linda