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Antrim / Re: Montford Family Loughconnelly area
« on: Friday 16 August 24 12:49 BST (UK)  »
Not too sure whether this relates to my Mary Ann Monford's family but she married Hugh Henry some time around 1823. I have never located her actual origins but the HENRY family have links with Ballybay in Monaghan about 1824 and were in Donegore, Antrim in the later 1820s until they left for England in the late 1840s.

Anyway this site is useful for Hearth Tax returns in Antrim 1669. 
https://www.billmacafee.com/1660shearthmoneyrolls/1669hearthmoneyrollsantrim.pdf
4825 Montford (written) Monfood  John  Antrim Upper   Donegore   Ballyclaverty   Ballyclaverty

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Ireland / Re: Hugh Henry of County Monaghan & County Antrim
« on: Wednesday 12 April 23 14:59 BST (UK)  »
Some lconstructive thoughts and wonderful ideas but the headache is still the access to records. Until I can find some definitive evidence back in Ireland - North or South I'm stuck. The Donegore DVD doesn't provide much to reinforce such concepts and the Ballybay records available to me are limited at this time.

I'm now tackling DNA links which MAY be helpful although even they are NOT always easy to interpret  - but I'm learning.

I have some mulling over and lateral thinking to do so I will leave the chat for a bit and anyway my allotment is beckoning - nature has its own time window!

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Ireland / Re: Hugh Henry of County Monaghan & County Antrim
« on: Wednesday 12 April 23 12:52 BST (UK)  »
I have done my best with the image only. It kept telling me that the file was too large!
 
I'm reluctant to concentrate on this aspect though as it only confirms what is already understood. I had really hoped to find out more on the Antrim and  Monaghan links. I understand that this builds a picture for others but I'm not getting any younger. Ho! ho!

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Ireland / Re: Hugh Henry of County Monaghan & County Antrim
« on: Wednesday 12 April 23 00:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi,
Thanks for adding to the discussion.
Ref the marriage see below -taken from original by a relative
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/7483416/person/6087972780/facts

Original
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-viewer/tree/172406330/person/242235496263/media/f15c74cb-2210-4674-82f0-a0ba91b1cbe9

I was really hoping for were Irish  reords for earlier data.  I just have to remain patient.

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Monaghan / Re: Hugh Henry
« on: Saturday 08 April 23 21:22 BST (UK)  »
Apologies for not replying earlier.
Some time in the late 1990s I found the name Mary Ann Monford or Munford on familysearch CDs and a reference to the Grange of Nilteen. It is no longer on the web site when I search. In the email sent to me by Catriona I was not given the residence or father's occupation data only the baptismal date and certainly no image .... but it was a long time ago and those records which became accepted refs are on an old PC somewhere in the loft.
I did wonder about the relevance of the soldier Hugh but had another brick wall to tackle and it got left behind.
I'll follow up the suggestions Annie -thanks for taking the time to give such a detailed response. How do I do a private message by the way?

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Monaghan / Re: Death of Jack Storey, historian/genealogist of County Monaghan
« on: Tuesday 28 March 23 19:53 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the rapid response Annie. I'll paste the email content I sent to Jack below. If you can help me it would  be much appreciated.
Many thanks,
Derek

"I have been unable to ascertain exactly where my Irish HENRY roots on my maternal side, originate.

Catriona Lennon ( MONAGHAN COUNTY LIBRARY, CLONES) very generously did find one of 5 children of Hugh Henry and Mary Ann Monford called Jane (1st known child), being baptised in Ballybay, Monaghan 17th May 1824 but all the usual available resources (e.g. land records etc)  have not revealed new proven links to Ballybay.  There are obviously "relatives" there but, for example, no marriage record seems to be available for Hugh and Mary. I've even tried the Ballybay Facebook site, to no avail!

By the mid 1820's the family were in Donegore, Antrim and the local church sold me a DVD of the available records. I found James (1826) Mary Ann (1830) but the origins of Sarah Ann and her brother Thomas Henry both supposedly born (Census for Thomas and an 1879 Walsall marr for Sarah) in Ireland c1837, remain unproven.  I suspect Thomas may have been born c 1832 but that's only because, when he died in 1892 in Wolverhampton Staffordshire where he ended up, he was recorded as 60 years of age. Lookups have not yet found his baptism. Whether the family moved from Donegore to elsewhere in Antrim is unclear but the whole family apart from possibly James were in the Midlands by 1851.

Rootsireland  are yet another subscription to consider but when I did find someone to check before I committed they told me they could find nothing.

All other researchers investigating the family have the same dead end and so far DNA has only resulted in finding the obvious links and trees all stop at Hugh and Mary. Since I began this the various sites, including Familysearch.org,  have included more data  but none have solved  the mystery.

If you have any new strategies to suggest which point me in  another direction, I would really appreciate it.

Apologies for going on a bit. I do appreciate you at least reading through this.

Kind regards,

Derek Thom

Wolverhampton UK"

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Monaghan / Re: Death of Jack Storey, historian/genealogist of County Monaghan
« on: Tuesday 28 March 23 13:42 BST (UK)  »
Very sad to see this. Jack's BT email address is still running so perhaps someone should sort that out. Have you had any response to your query.Jack was my last hope to resolve a brick wall!

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Staffordshire / Re: TURNER FAMILY WALSALL area
« on: Monday 05 December 22 21:09 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to everyone who responded. I've added any new data to my research notes. Much Appreciated. Derek

trish1120
ColC
maddys52

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Staffordshire / Re: TURNER FAMILY WALSALL area
« on: Tuesday 29 November 22 21:21 GMT (UK)  »
Apologies for not responding. At least I don't think I did but it's been a long time!!!!

Samuel Turner* born c 1791 Hoverley, Worcestershire who married Matha Hinton in Walsall in 1814,  remains a brick wall. I did locate possible parents - Samuel Turner widower marrying a Mary Green  in Walsall in 1791 but apart from a potential daughter Hannah being born and dying in nearby Bloxwich in 1795 I've not resolved the issue of origin.
Same person*  Ref buried 03 Aug 1851, Merridale Cemetery, Wolverhampton
Parish: St. James. Occupation: Lath cleaver. Grave: 1047. Consumption. Reg. No.: G1/00556
Abode Albion StAge 60

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