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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Feakins/Payne
« on: Monday 09 August 10 11:28 BST (UK)  »
Yep,

Thanks Janette that is an excellent link to a resource I have never seen before.  I read each page by inverting it as the negative image of faint writing is a lot clearer than normal view.

Charles Feakins was indeed a figment of the original LDS transcribers imagination.

I see everyone except Jacob and Charlotte travelled for free (100% on the NZ Government).  I presume Jacob and Charlotte had to pay a share of their fare due to their advanced years.

Cheers
Brett

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Feakins/Payne
« on: Monday 09 August 10 00:19 BST (UK)  »
Thanks - I followed the link to the original images of the Passenger List.  I will study the handwritten records tonight.  I looked at the index pages - there are no Teakins from what I can see between the flowery script and the watermark on the page and there is no Charles with the Feakins.  The LDS transcriber got it wrong.  Our job is to get it right.

Charles had a very short life - imagined - and mysterious but resolved by MacKiwi.

Thanks
Brett

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Feakins/Payne
« on: Sunday 08 August 10 23:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi Janette & TedD.

Yes I have all their travel details thank you.

Ted, Charles should read Charlotte a daughter of Jacob & Charlotte & yes Teakins should be Feakins, that's one that had me confused at the beginning when in came up on a marriage certificate. It was hard to decipher the T or F.
Charlotte (Jacob and Charlotte's daughter) is also listed in the record.  I was not sure that it was a double entry and would like to be able to see the original document.  However I spent a lot of time yesterday scanning the UK Birth and Census records.  I found 2-possible birth Index Records for Charles Feakins but cannot find any record of the family at all in the 1871 UK Census (have them in 1861).

So only suggestion of a Charles so far is in the immigrant list I found. ???

Cheers
Brett

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Feakins/Payne
« on: Sunday 08 August 10 06:26 BST (UK)  »
I spent a few hours researching the ship Helen Denny that the Payn(e), Feakins and Friend families came to NZ on.  Below is the text of a document I put together.  The document is also available as a PDF file with a couple of photos of the ship:
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The Helen Denny made at least two voyages to Napier, the first arrival was on the 22nd of October in 1874 and the second was in 1875.  Our families came on the second voyage arriving on 20th September 1875.

The shipping register and passenger list transcription can be found at http://www.yesteryears.co.nz/shipping/passlists/helendenny.html and the details regarding our families are noted below.

A pretty little vessel that brought many hundreds of passengers to all parts of the Dominion from 1875 until 1896, was the Glasgow built ship, Helen Denny, one of the Shaw, Savill fleet. She was built as a fully rigged ship built in 1866 by Robert Duncan, Port Glasgow.  Dimensions 187ft 5in x 31ft 2in x 19ft 1in.

When launched in November 1866 she was first owned by Patrick Henderson & Co., Glasgow.  Shaw Savill & Co purchased the Helen Denny in 1872 for the New Zealand Immigrant Trade.  She is recorded as making a voyage to Napier in 1874 and was then converted to a Barque rig before her next voyage in 1875. 

Although only 728 tons she had a fairly good turn of speed and made many passages between London and the several New Zealand ports, considerably below the average, under a fine old sailor, Captain William Ruthe.

She sailed on the 26th of June 1875 from London to Hawkes Bay carrying 244 passengers on this 85 day voyage (which was a fast trip) under the command of Captain William Ruthe.

 The names of the passengers that are most important to us are:
 
Families:
Feakins, Jacob, 50
Feakins, Charlotte, 50
Feakins, Charlotte, 13, Trans. to Single W.

Friend, James, 45
Friend, Mary A., 33
Friend, John, 2

Payn, William, 33
Payn, Catherine, 28
Payn, Eliza, 10
Payn, James W., 7
Payn, George, 5
Payn, Amy, 9m

Single Men:
Feakins, Horace, 16
Feakins/Teakins, Charles, 13

Single Women:
Teakins, Amy, 20
 

The list on the website was transcribed from LDS Film #0287450 and the entries for "Teakins" are clearly transcription errors.

Note that the spelling for Payn is still without an "e".

The Helen Denny went on to make numerous voyages between London and many New Zealand ports.  One such voyage found her in Honolulu in 1894 when plague struck.  One crew member died following her departure and she was quarantined at her next port of call.  She was sold in 1896 to Messrs. Turnbull & Co., Christchurch and later, in 1900, to Capt. F Holm. She continued to run regularly in the inter-colonial trade between New Zealand, Australia and around the Pacific through 1913. She was sold finally in 1912 to the Paparoa Coal Co. where she was converted into a coal hulk at Lyttleton.  She was towed to Auckland in 1946 before finally being towed out to sea and scuttled in 1948.

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Sources:   http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Merchant/Sail/H/Helen_Denny(1866).html
  http://www.yesteryears.co.nz/shipping/passlisth.html

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Feakins/Payne
« on: Thursday 05 August 10 04:30 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for information that I can use to piece together my family tree.
 
[I will say my] Amy Bentley Payne [spelling aside] is my GGG grandmother, married Henry Beattie 15/04/1892 in Halcombe, NZ. 
They had 7 children:

Henry Arthur Beattie 1893-1936
Norman James Beattie 1895-1915
David Edward Beattie 1896-1918
Charles Herbert Beattie 1898-1982
Margaret Amy Beattie 1900-1989 Married name was Cadzow
Stanly William Beattie 1903-1903
Robert Douglas Beattie 1908-1964

Only one child had issue Henry Arthur Beattie

If any one has photo's of the family [Feakins/Payne, Payn] , I would love copies.

Thanks
Sandra


Sandra,
Thanks for this info.  I will change the marriage details I have for Amy.

Likewise I can share the photo's I have if you like just send me a personal message with your contact details.

Rgds
Brett

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Feakins/Payne
« on: Wednesday 04 August 10 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi Everyone,

I apologise but I have not found a Beattie link but doesn't mean there isn't one.

Ted thanks for your information.  I will double check my public listing on MyHeritage and Ancestry for accuracy as per your family bible source.

As I studied the Bentley and Payn lists I came to realise that these people migrated over a REALLY small area around Lenham.  One consistency is that their surname is always spelled Payn in the Census.  If you cast a little more widely within Kent you find Paynes but they are not the same family.  They also tended to stay in the same locale for example William Bully always lived in the same house in Sheppey according to the census.  Their children might venture to the next village and that is how we get family in Eastchurch, the Isle of Grain and down into Lenham where they meet up with the Feakins family.

I too like the photos and also like Google Street View and Google Earth for modern day views.

BTW Ted, my mother Maureen in New Plymouth says hello and explained how the Feakins and early Payne photos I have came most likely from your collection.

I will be back when I learn or confirm something new.  I need to order the NZ death certificates for William Bentley and his wife too.  It will confirm a few 99% certainties that I have.

Regards, Brett Payne


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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Surname help please
« on: Tuesday 20 July 10 12:04 BST (UK)  »
HI,
Yes I am always interested.  I see you have most of ............. stuff.  I originally discovered ........... on MyHeritage and he expanded a few horizons for me.  Since then I have been adding more materials and family as I find them in my own searches.  I also have a collection of old family photos that I am progressively including.

Your discussion on Sarah Bentley has helped me resolve that little mystery as my mother has a copy of Williams Death Cert that had us blocked by the Alcock name.  I also switched from searching for "Payne" to searching for "Payn" and have then now back as far as 1750 in and around Sheppey.  Other links I found go further back on maternal sides well into the 1600's but with many questions as to how accurate some of the data is.  But I think my names are as solid as can be back to 1750 on the Payne side.

I descend from George Bentley Payne (William's son) who died in 1959.  My dad was able to recall older cousins talking about "Shaky Grandad" which was William.  My Dad was born in 1934 and died in 1992 and was the youngest of 4 sons of Peter John Payne (1901 - 1955) and Ivy Violet Muir (1906 - 1983).


Regards
Brett

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
« on: Friday 16 July 10 08:24 BST (UK)  »
I have copies now of the Marriage Index pages from FreeBMD for both William Payn and Sarah Bentley that match with regard to Church (Sheppey), year and quarter (March quarter 1840).

I am not sure how to take the next step from Index to a copy of the record yet, but that is on my agenda.

Also searched for Sarah Alcock and (anyone) Alcock for Sheppey and even a marriage in Kent in 1840 plus or minus a few years but draw a blank (as I expect I should if my theory is correct).

Thanks
Brett

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Kent Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle
« on: Thursday 15 July 10 21:53 BST (UK)  »
I am late into this game.  ::)

I looked up a scan of William Bentley Payne's death certificate and I see that the informant certifying the death is the undertaker.  I now think he had a "brain fade" when it came to entering the parents names on the record.

This will mean Alcock is a complete red herring.  A series of searches on the web yesterday finds lots of Bentley's in Kent around Frinsted and that locality but no Alcocks.  A similar search on Alcock and Bentley only uncovers this email thread on Roots Chat.

Thanks
Brett Payne
Central Coast NSW (ex-Taranaki, NZ)

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