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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: COURTNAGE family, Lurgashall/Bepon
« on: Saturday 28 April 12 07:50 BST (UK)  »
Hello Neil,
If you would like to me to look at your tree to make a comparison, I would be happy to.
However, as i explained yeterday, I am off on holiday today, and will look at it when I get back.
Have you collated any authority to authenticate your research at all?
Speak soon.

Lesley


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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: COURTNAGE family, Lurgashall/Bepon
« on: Friday 27 April 12 07:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello Neil,
I am off on holiday today, so cannot respond fully to your email.
However, I will look at the trees again from Daniel backwards.
I am quite confident that my research is correct, and of course, mistakes do happen and I value
the importance of accurate research.

From memory, one of reasons I am confident, is that one of the Henry's marriages was witnessed
by his Brother, and so this a strong link to the remainder of the family.

You are quite correct over the confusion of "too many Henry's".
If you look at the geography of the families, you will see that they float between
Surrey, Sussex and Hampshire and they are all near to where the borders cross over.,
and are definitely related to each other.

I have the original Church extractions for quite a few Courtney marriages which were very
helpful.  Have your considered the Marriage between Henry Courtnage and Jane Pope in Petworth?

It may pay you to do a little research on the Cowdray Estate papers.
We have some Courtney connections to the estate. From memory I believe one married
Lord Cowdrays Daughter Martha.

I will come back to you as soon as I am abe.

Yours sincerely

Lesley


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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: COURTNAGE family, Lurgashall/Bepon
« on: Friday 27 April 12 07:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi and many thanks for the info you have given. I am ever so slightly confused though.
You state that Henrys parents were John Courtnage and Sarah Bridger and then you state that Johns Parents were Henry Courtnage and Hannah Clifton. This is contradictory to the information I have gained. Unless I am totally mistaken the pedigree goes something like this;
Henry Courtnage married Hannah Cox - Henry was born sometime around 1700
His son was John Courtnage b1726 married Sarah Bridger married in 1755
His son was John Courtnage b1759 married Hannah Clifton married in 1786

Henry Courtnage born about 1700 had 6 children;
Elizabeth b1720
Jane 1723
Mary 1732
Henry 1735*
Ann 1741
John 1726**
Ann 1741

John Courtnage b 1759 had 9 Children;
William b1786
Sarah b1789
John b1791
Thomas b1794
Reuben b1796
Henry b1798*
James b1802**
Mary Ann b1804
Charles b1807

** relates to my direct bloodline
* these are the Henrys I am very confused about - which one is Daniels pedigree? Could you give me a break down as per above.

I have seen the details of Shadrach, so will definitely be looking into this.

I also have a potential link to the Romany Gypsy's at this time - will give more info on this when I can.

I am also waiting for info on my Grandfather -= Frank Courtnage - as he is potentially one of the first original members of the SAS and SBS - how much info I will get from the MOD is yet to be seen.

I will read you reply again later today just in-case my tiredness is leading me astray.

Regards

Neil


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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: COURTNAGE family, Lurgashall/Bepon
« on: Wednesday 25 April 12 22:05 BST (UK)  »
Hello Neil,
I hope I can help you back from Daniel Courtnage. Today the family spell their name Courtney. Daniel Courtnage was my husband's Greeat Great Grandfather.
Daniel married Francis Kewell. They had 11 children. Included in the 11 are a set of twins. Daniel may have been born in the latter part of 1825, but was batpised on the 15th January 1826 at Headley, in Hampshire. In 1881, one of Daniel's other children Henry was a serving Stoker on HMS "Jumma".
Daniel's parents were Henry Coutnage and Charotte Trussler. They married on 4th December 1824 at Frensham in Surrey.
Daniel was one of 6 known children.
Daniel's Father Henry was one of 7 known children; Charlotte, Sarah, Henry*, Harriet, Ann, Charles and Shadrack. Shadrack was the ultimate criminal and was sent to Tasmania on a prison ship where he ended up in what was then known as Van Diemans Land. I have a full history of him.
Henry's parents( Grandparents of Daniel) were Henry Courtngae and Sarah Mitchell.  This Henry married twice. Sarah was his first wife who sadly died when little Shadrack was only 16 months old, leaving Henry with 7 children to care for. His Son Henry was only 13. Henry and Sarah married on the 19th June 1793 in Kridford, Sussex.  Obviously, Henry simply could not manage and he re married two years later to Charlotte Hounsome on the 13th July 1816 at Bepton in Sussex.
Henry and Charlotte had 8 children together; Eliza, John, George, James, Daniel, Catharine, Caroline and Eleanor, sometimes known as Emily. Altogether he fathered some 15 children, so we have a situation where 1 children have the same Father, but different Mother's i.e. half siblings to each other.
Henry was 21 years the senior of Charlotte, and Henry died aged 87 years and is buried in Headly, Hampshire.  He is recorded as having come from "Arford".
Twice married Henry was baptised on the 21st February 1768 in Farnhurst. His parents were John Courtnage and Sarah Bridger.They had 5 known children.
Sarah, John, Ann, Henry* and Thomas. John and Sarah married on 6th February 1755 in Farnhurst, Sussex- today known as Fernhurst.
John's parents were Henry Courtnage and Hannah (possibly Cliffton). Henry and Hannah had 6 known children; Elizbeth, Jane, Mary, Henry, John* and Ann.
Married circa 1720. The earliest recorded Henry Courtney  I have, is for a baptism on 11th August 1593 in Richmond Surrey.
The Courtney family historically flow from the Earldom of Devon. A digression of the Families of Redvers and Courtenay.
The first Courtenay on record was "Atho" a French Knight, universally admitted to have been nameless origin, who built at castle in Courtenay, a small town in the Gatenoise, sixty miles from Paris, early in the eleventh century, and took his name from his residence.  His elder Grandson, Milo, was certainly Lord of Courtenay whilst Josceline, the first Count of Edessa whose territory extended on both sides of the Euphrates river, was, as certainly, a younger Brother of the said Milo.
I have a huge history on the origins of the name and have a good collection of Census Returns back to 18411 and beyond that many church extractions concerning the main bloodline, of which my husband Leon is a direct descendent.
I hope this has been of some help to you Neil, and if I can help any further, I certainly will.

Kind Regards

Lesley


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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup for hughes in 1851 Staffordshire
« on: Wednesday 12 October 11 22:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi there, I notice you have an interest in the Pearson family in Oldbury, Staffordshire around 1851 who were coal dealers.
I am related to the Pearson coal dealing family, and wondered if we have a connection?
I would be pleased to hear from you

Many thanks

Lesley

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: COURTNAGE family, Lurgashall/Bepon
« on: Monday 29 August 11 20:57 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jan,
I am confident that I have the correct parentage for Henry Courtnage who married both Sarah Mitchell and then Charlotte Hounsome.  I believe I made a mistake with the generations flowing from Henry Senior's Son, Henry who married Charlotte Trussler.  Their last child Emily has a birth Certificate for 1839 and I was hopeful of finding Charlotte's maiden name for confirmation of the correct link.  Unfortunately, I am unable to obtain it from either Surrey or Sussex record offices despite the birth being registered in Farnham, as neither offices can find it.  I have also discovered that another family member tried to purchase it, from a typed transcript of the register.  However, the original transcript of the register was written by hand and has been viewed so often it has had to be re-transcribed which left room for mistake on the copied entry.  There is also the question of where does Charlotte Mooney come from?  I am waiting for Liverpool to send me a copy and I am keeping my fingers crossed in anticipation. I sent for something else from Liverpool recently and three weeks down the line I still do not have it.
I will let you know once I am in receipt of it.

Many thanks

Lesley

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: COURTNAGE family, Lurgashall/Bepon
« on: Monday 22 August 11 20:39 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jan,
Long time since we last spoke.  Are you still helping your friend? I have just picked up your note about Neil who is also researching the name. I would be pleased to help him if i can.

Lesley

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: COURTNAGE family, Lurgashall/Bepon
« on: Wednesday 04 August 10 07:47 BST (UK)  »
Good morning Jan,
Just a quick line before I leave for work.  Would you have any objection to emailing me direct rather than through this site?
If you have no objection, please let me know so I can communicate with you and give youmy direct email address.  Many thanks

Lesley

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Sussex Lookup Requests / Re: COURTNAGE family, Lurgashall/Bepon
« on: Tuesday 03 August 10 22:45 BST (UK)  »
Hello Jan,
I have had a very quick look at this just now - its a bit late for me I've been working very late and am so tired. First of all, I want to say thank you for taking the time to look at this information, I really am very grateful.
Some other information has come into my possession today which may help in the quest with this family and I will explain what I have tomorrow to you.
Speak to you tomorrow Jan, and thank you again, you are very kind.

Lesley

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