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I wonder whether they will be quietly 'launched' sometime today to avoid a massive rush and 'technical issues' tomorrow morning?

Although I suppose the scale isn't quite on a par with the 1921, 1911 and 1901 censuses.

(it just feels like that for those of us who've been waiting a very long time :) )

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The Common Room / Re: 1939 register
« on: Today at 09:03 »
The process of opening up entries must be very slow as my great aunt is still blacked out and she would be 124 years old now.  She died in 1991.  Her daughter is blacked out and she died about 20 years ago.  My mother lived with them, but she would only be 102 later this year.

My guess would be an error or uncertainty in the birth year - either the source or the transcription.

I've seen a few cases where the redaction line is wobbly enough to see the birth year, which is either blank, indistinct, or amended.

So not knowing the year of birth presumably means the record wouldn't be automatically unredacted until 2039?

I thought, and as was earlier pointed out, that unredacting would occur after the person would have been 100 years old, automatically.  In my mother’s case, proof of death would have been needed up until her birthdate in 2023, as she died in Canada in the 1990’s.  For her cousin and aunt, both died many years ago, in England.  Why were they not unredacted when the 1939 was released?  In the same household my aunt’s husband and father were unredacted when it was released.

I think when they matched death records to redacted 1939 entries it was easier for males because their name at death would more likely be the same as their name in 1939.  Whereas married/widowed/divorced women wouldn't neccessarily have the same name at death as they did in 1939.  In that case an automated process would need to look at marriages as well to work out who the death record belonged to on the 1939 register.

I'd also think that process couldn't be very reliable, and so a significant %age of records of women who had died couldn't be matched to a 1939 entry with enough certainty to justify automatic unredaction.

And to throw a spanner in... both my mum and one of her sisters have been unredacted since the original launch, but both are very much alive and under 100.  Their other sister seems to be a still-redacted entry in the household (also still alive and under 100).  The only difference between them is the redacted sister married twice, whereas mum and the unredacted sister only married once - although that shouldn't be a factor in their redaction/unredaction.

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The Common Room / Re: What is a W. A. S. Inspection (Eng)? (1939 REGISTER)
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 21:03 BST (UK)  »
Just to add to all the ideas Goggle search has this to say ??? ???

"In the 1939 Register, "W. A. S" likely refers to Women's Auxiliary Service, which was a part of the civil defence services during World War II. The register includes various abbreviations to denote different roles within institutions, with "W. A. S" being one of them."  ;D ;D

It's possible that is a Google AI hallucination.  There was a pre-war "Women's Auxiliary Service" which was a renamed Women's Police Service.  But it isn't clear what was left of it in 1939.

In June 1940 Parliament was told "It is extremely doubtful whether this so-called organisation has any corporate existence at the present time"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Police_Service#Decline

And why would a man living in Bradford be 'inspecting' it?

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The Common Room / Re: What is a W. A. S. Inspection (Eng)? (1939 REGISTER)
« on: Tuesday 05 August 25 18:34 BST (UK)  »
So... it's actually W. A. S Inspection (ENG) as you had posted before, JenB ;D
I don't think you can assume much from the omission of a stop after the S .  I also tend to favour the W meaning War (it had been expected for some time) and the likelihood that ENG suggests engineering rather than England ?

Without the "inspection" I'd have suggested "War - Active Service" but that doesn't seem to fit.

I have seen other people with "WAS" (meaning 'previously') before some other occupation - such as "WAS Chief Bottle Washer".  I suppose the dots could have been added in error at some point in the process, but that's probably a bit of straw clutching.

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The Common Room / Re: What is a W. A. S. Inspection (Eng)? (1939 REGISTER)
« on: Sunday 03 August 25 19:54 BST (UK)  »
Welding and Smelting Inspection (Engineer)?

Welding and smelting are very different activities.  Although (critical/structural) welds might be inspected, I can't think what 'inspection' would take place for smelting - it would be the resulting castings which might be inspected for quality, and that would probaby be a "casting inspector".

I'd lean towards the possibility of "Water and Sanitary Inspect(or) (Engineering)".

'Sanitary Inspector' was a formal and statutory occupation, roughly equating to the modern environmental health officer.

When Local Authorities were responsible for the supply of clean water and the provision of sewerage this may have come under the domain of the 'Chief Sanitary Inspector'.  The functions of this department would have included both the infrastructure (engineering) and quality/'wholesomeness'.  The latter is what evolved into Environmental Health.

So I think it is plausible someone would describe themselves as a "Water and Sanitary Inspector (Engineering)"... but I have absolutely no proof of this, other than past experience working in a drainage department where such words regularly cropped up in the historic records.

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Suffolk / Re: Suffolk parish registers to go online?
« on: Friday 25 July 25 21:21 BST (UK)  »
News from the Suffolk Archives is that the records will go live on Ancestry on Thursday 14th August.

https://www.suffolkarchives.co.uk/latest-news-from-suffolk-archives/

Doesn't say which year.  ;)

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Suffolk / Re: Suffolk parish registers to go online?
« on: Tuesday 22 July 25 14:35 BST (UK)  »
I still like doing it the old fashioned way, the way I have done for the past few decades, going to a records office and looking at microfilm and microfiche machines, but technology is changing the world and it is gradually getting easier to do genealogy online now.

I used to spend hours at Gatacre Road, it was really relaxing and with the car parked (for free) just outside it was easy to nip out for a break.

As I feared when the consultation started, The Hold is the polar opposite.  And I have endless empathy for the Bury and Lowestoft users whose experience has worsened in order to facilitate it.

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The Common Room / Re: Do you have suggestions for improving ancestry.com?
« on: Sunday 06 July 25 13:00 BST (UK)  »

Those of us who have had our DNA tested have thousands of DNA matches that are nearly impossible to ID due to no trees and a user name that means zilch.

Having these useless DNA matches clogs up the system.

What is totally inconsiderate is for people to invoke the Privacy rubbish as their get out.

If you do not want to be Identified then make your Family Tree Private.

If you do not want your DNA results visible to others then make them Private.

Your Privacy concerns are then as good as it gets.

On the contrary - the information would only be 'private' up to the moment in time someone manages to breach Ancestry's security.  It isn't like a data breach of a company holding this kind of information hasn't happened before -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4grggw4n56o

And 'It can't happen to us' is so out of date.

The problem you have with excess matches could be resolved by having the filter tools to exclude results where there is no tree and/or a lack of contact information.  And/or defaulting accounts to private.  There's no need to risk breaching other people's privacy to achieve what you'd like.

If someone sets up an account without contact information and with a random username I'd take it as a strong hint they don't want you contacting them... and that if you did manage to make contact with them the contact wouldn't be very productive.

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The Common Room / Re: Do you have suggestions for improving ancestry.com?
« on: Sunday 06 July 25 11:42 BST (UK)  »
Have a good clean out of all the 'empty accounts'.  ie those that have no tree or DNA results.   I know of people who have joined umpteen times for the free weekend etc- under different names and not used them again once the offer runs out.

BUT not all of us who have Ancestry accounts WANT to put our trees onto Ancestry, nor do some of us WANT or feel the need to do DNA tests.  OH and I have had a basic Ancestry UK account for a large number of years AND what we do with it is entirely up to us.  :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

Completely agree.  The idea of the thread is about ideas to improve Ancestry.  There's a bit too much desire to have things removed that people don't personally like, without thinking how other people want or need to use the site.

Likewise, folk perhaps don't understand if Ancestry doesn't make a profit it eventually won't exist.  If it doesn't exist then we'll all (those of us who use it) be worse off.  I don't see nationalisation of Ancestry happening anytime soon - so it has to operate commercially.

I also don't understand how an account which doesn't contain a tree or DNA results can have an adverse impact on any other individual?

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