Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - Nick_Ips

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 ... 74
1
The Lighter Side / Re: Artificial Intelligence - Tongue in Cheek Observations
« on: Wednesday 18 June 25 15:51 BST (UK)  »
You can tell the green answer comes straight from of one of the American databases.  Perhaps you would like to enquire how her husband came to die in a Metropolitan Borough and a County which were not established until 59 years after the event.

...Presumably because the system is programmed to use the current rather than historical names for places?

2
The Lighter Side / Re: Artificial Intelligence - Tongue in Cheek Observations
« on: Wednesday 18 June 25 15:47 BST (UK)  »

...
The only way A.I., might work in family history, would mean people reading and typing billions of words, from every single piece or page of a surviving Document, or Will, or Deed, Manor Court Roll, Rental etc., etc., or Volume, or Historical Book etc., held in an Archive, or Library, or Repository, or University Special Collection and their Libraries, or National Archives and archives still held by the UK government (much of it in old style handwriting or Latin etc.,) and then be accurately fed into a massive super computer program.
...

Why?  I'm doing my family history and haven't accessed all those documents, let alone read them all.  I don't follow why AI couldn't be useful in family history without needing all that information.

TBH I'm no fan of AI, I think it is being hyped up beyond reason, but that doesn't mean the idea doesn't have some merit.

The fundamental issue here is that what we currently call 'AI' is a machine with limited intelligence.  The maxim of 'rubbish in rubish out' was never truer.  Without understanding the limitations of the machine we are using we take on a huge risk of accepting garbage.

There's a difference between asking an AI system to "Do my family history for me" and giving it a specific task within a specific dataset.

This is why the medical use is interesting - computer systems are good at pattern matching because it involves processing a huge amount of information.  Medicine is a form of pattern matching (aka "What are your symptoms?").  If used sensibly AI could identify things the medical practitioner had never heard of and put them forward as possibilities - so long as there is a qualified doctor doing a sanity check on the results I don't see that as harmful.

Family history also involves some pattern matching - for example with a family which didn't move round much births of a certain surname in a given registration district within a given timeframe have the possibility of being children of the same family.  Trawling through the indexes at the FRC was fun up to a point, but it could get tedious.  FreeBMD makes it much quicker to find the possibilities, but still needs a fair amount of human brainpower to check each individual (especially where MMN isn't given).

So imagine a system which uses FreeBMD-type data to give a list of possible siblings for a specified person, with some level of probability calculated for each one, perhaps incorporating the cardinal points system to work out if they were in the same (or adjoining) parish(es).

I think something like that could be a valuable application of AI in family history, and wouldn't be impossible to do.  However, it would still require the human to understand the results aren't complete and aren't perfect, and that's the crux of where we are with AI at the moment.

3
Suffolk / Re: Suffolk parish registers to go online?
« on: Friday 06 June 25 11:29 BST (UK)  »
Hello has anyone heard when the registers might appear online at ancestry at all? Early 2025 is slipping away!

The way it is looking, "Mid 2025" will be here and gone before the registers go online.

4
The Common Room / Re: 1939 register sub-number in household
« on: Wednesday 21 May 25 12:43 BST (UK)  »

Seems odd...

Have you checked the last page(s) of the book?  This is where continuations for individuals were added, but sometimes you see corrections here too.  It may be the individuals for sub-numbers 7-15 have been entered there.

5

Thanks Chris. And no need for the apologies... better we find out now than not at all.  :)

Unfortunately it looks like Fold3 records are not included this time.

6
Technical Help / Re: BT to EE conversion
« on: Saturday 10 May 25 10:17 BST (UK)  »
...
Also it seems that it is BT who took over EE (finalised on 29 Jan 2016) and now BT have decided that EE is to be their main mobile brand.

I guess you must have some BT services, if not you don't need to switch to EE.  I've seen on line just now, people who have never been with BT or EE being told they have to switch to EE but it's not true.  See http://www.rootschat.com/links/01trs/

BT to EE is largely a rebrand rather than anything else.... the idea was to phase out 'BT' as the name used for consumer services and replace it with 'EE'.

However the executive who championed that project is leaving, and the current CEO has (wisely) decided that the rebrand doesn't make sense. (cf. 'Consignia')

So at some point the customers 'switched' from BT to EE will probably find themselves going 'back' to BT.

As a shareholder I just wish they'd stop rearranging the deckchairs and get on with providing decent services.

7
The Common Room / Re: Correction to GRO index not accepted
« on: Thursday 08 May 25 16:02 BST (UK)  »
Thank you AntonyMMM.  Do you know if there are plans to include missed pages at some later date, or
whether the GRO are keeping a tally of reported missing entries?

No idea ( but I would hope so).

Most "missing entries", between 80-90% I believe when I last spoke to someone at GRO, are not missing at all but are indexed differently - many are due to the changes in the indexing rules used between the old and new indexes, and some due to interpretation (i.e. spelling) variations.

So if we could search without surname (but for example providing mandatory year + quarter + district + sex) then perhaps the number of "missing entries" being reported would possibly be much reduced and the folks at GRO would have more time to deal with the tricky ones?

Out of curiosity I just checked an issue I'd had in the past.  FreeBMD gives a total of 134 records for Births+Sep+1847+ District=Plomesgate.  Using a sample of the surnames from those results I've searched the new index and not been able to find one of them (yet).  Which means multiple pages must have been skipped when the digitising was done?

8
The Common Room / Re: Correction to GRO index not accepted
« on: Thursday 08 May 25 13:27 BST (UK)  »

I've had a few of those, in most of the cases I have other information which supports the entry on the previous GRO index (as per FreeBMD), so it seems unlikely the previous version was made up.

Of those there's two cases where all people with the same full GRO reference are missing from the new index (5 and 10 people) which I think might indicate something systemic, rather than just one transcriber making a simple error.

On the other hand, I have had one case where the missing entry in the new GRO index was added, which suggests it isn't a policy to respond with "Indexed data not available" in all cases.

If there's an official reason why, then I'd be interested.

9
The Common Room / Re: Young Genealogists
« on: Wednesday 16 April 25 12:37 BST (UK)  »
I think it comes under life skills not an academic subject. Many of us have been saying for decades that the number of school academic subjects could reduce and life skills training could increase for the majority of pupils and they would greatly benefit from it.

That was understood - the point was there are so many 'life skills' that currently don't get taught that making a list of everything which ought to be added would put 'family history' a fair way down the list.

The reason people have been suggesting changes for decades with nothing much changing is because adding something in means taking something away... and it isn't easy deciding what to take away because there will be knock-on effects.

My friend's children had an introduction to the topic of family history in primary school via history classes finding out about someone in your family who died (or was involved) in the First World War - with the option of making it someone who had lived in your street or neighbourhood for those who didn't have family connections.  I reckon that is about as far as anyone can reasonably expect genealogy to be embedded into the general education curriculum.

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 ... 74