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Messages - Nick_Ips

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The Common Room / Re: Reporting a FreeBMD missing page
« on: Tuesday 04 November 25 09:01 GMT (UK)  »

Thanks jon and Molly.

Reporting an entry correction usually results in a long delay, so you don't know when to check back for an alteration and eventually you have to infer it has been rejected.

This^.  There was a time where FreeBMD would send an email to confirm a correction had been accepted or rejected, but that seemed to stop.  Understandable that emails which need to be manually sent take someone's time to send, but if an automated system is being used to reject corrections then it would help the user to get some feedback on that.

I've got the information I needed from the GRO site, so only wanted to report the missing data to FreeBMD to help improve the accuracy of the database and maybe help someone else in the future.

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The Common Room / Reporting a FreeBMD missing page
« on: Sunday 26 October 25 08:52 GMT (UK)  »

What is the best way of reporting a suspected missing page of records to FreeBMD?

The image 1855B3-M-0854.jpg ends with 'Charles Mayor' and the image 1855B3-M-0855.jpg starts with 'Edward Mc anally'.

Between them there should be various others including (from the GRO site) -
   MAYS, HENRY        BULL     
   GRO Reference: 1855  S Quarter in ONGAR  Volume 04A  Page 66

I've reported missing entries before using the Entry correction page, but I wonder whether explaining (as I have above) would be classed as "spirited advocacy or justification supporting the correction" and thus result in the report being auto-rejected.

I'm guessing a page was missed during the scanning process, rather than a whole page missing when originally indexed.

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The Common Room / Re: How to find the motivation to carry on?
« on: Sunday 12 October 25 09:09 BST (UK)  »
How do others keep motivated to carry on? And is there anything else I can do to break this stalemate?

From the start, about 25 years ago, I figured it would be easier to go back in time and further up the tree at some point in the future when more records were available online.

So I've done what I can with the information easily available in the here and now, and each time I've got to a brick wall I've gone off to look at expanding a different branch of my tree.

My motivation is in finding new connections and the social/geographic aspects which keeps me interested, then every now and again a new dataset comes available online (the Suffolk PRs is the latest for me) which might give some answers to move up another generation or two.

Occasionally (all too rarely) researching one of the branches gives a clue for one of the main lines - for example an elderly relative staying on census night, or a surname unexpectedly being used as a given name for a child.

So if you are stuck, spend some time going back over records you've already found seeing if there are things you've missed.  Account for all people in a census household, find the full names of children where you only have initials.  Also, check any unidentified witnesses of marriages (although in my experience these seem more likely to be friends rather than family).

Keep digging, something will turn up.

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The Common Room / Re: Quality of GRO Digital Images
« on: Tuesday 30 September 25 19:14 BST (UK)  »
If it is correct that a report of a misaligned image and refund results in the whole page of entries becoming unavailable as digital images then you might not want to wait too long before getting the adjacent entry... assuming it isn't too late already.
If that were the case, I assume that a steadily growing number of pages would become unavailable as more users reported problems ?

Yes, if what people are saying is correct, the number of pages for which digital images will be available will be slowly declining.

Of course reported pages should be redigitised, but perhaps that is expecting too much ?  :(

AIUI the problem isn't with the original scanning, rather with the process (presumably 100% software) which works out where the relevant entry is on the page and extracts that area.

If so, it would need a better software system to more accurately 'guess' where the entry is on the page and deal with any orientation issues.  But at only £3 per image and seemingly the vast majority of images having no issues, I'm not sure there would be much desire to invest in a better system.

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The Common Room / Re: Quality of GRO Digital Images
« on: Tuesday 30 September 25 09:30 BST (UK)  »
Probably not but I haven't really decided yet.

If it is correct that a report of a misaligned image and refund results in the whole page of entries becoming unavailable as digital images then you might not want to wait too long before getting the adjacent entry... assuming it isn't too late already.

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The Common Room / Re: Quality of GRO Digital Images
« on: Thursday 25 September 25 21:54 BST (UK)  »
I think we seek the information that we expect to see, not some of it.

If we "knew" there's a chance information could be missing, it then becomes a good deal, not when you're expecting to see what you asked for.

The digital image service FAQs do mention that there may be issues with seeing the whole entry and how to go about getting a refund if appropriate.

Although it isn't compulsory to read the FAQs when placing an order.

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The Common Room / Re: Quality of GRO Digital Images
« on: Thursday 25 September 25 19:21 BST (UK)  »
I vaguely seem to recall seeing a working party about the tendering for the scanning.

Tax payers' money was spent to do this and for the project to work, even if purchasers got a bit of the adjoining entry top and bottom.

Commercial companies manage to scan images from microfilm.

Therefore, I find any government excuses rather poor!

Mark

As I posted above, I don't think there was an original intention for the digitised images to be made available to the public, therefore the scanning was probably done on the basis that GRO staff would manipulate the page as necessary to produce the certificate in PDF or paper form.

The public access project "MAGPIE" was for access to the index only (hence the 'I' of MAGPIE) as far as I remember, and this is what we now have (in part) on the GRO website.

My guess (and I'm happy to be corrected) is that the digital images have been made available by using automated image manipulation software to 'extract' the portion of a scanned image the customer requests - therefore it may have nothing at all to do with the original scanning.

Personally I'm happy that I can see an entry for the cost of £3, rather than paying the full cost of a certificate - which is what we had to do before the new index was made available.  If that means a compromise on quality and the occasional error then so be it.  Those seeking something better can still buy a PDF/paper certificate.  I see it as a win-win.

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The Common Room / Re: Quality of GRO Digital Images
« on: Thursday 25 September 25 14:13 BST (UK)  »
My understanding is that these "instant" images are left over from a project to fully automate, that got abandoned, and they are just monetising the remnants.
They're not revisiting that by going and getting a new, properly aligned, image, as that is what the pdf service is about

The DOVE/EAGLE project wasn't abandonded as such, just significantly re-scoped.  The search facility on the GRO site was the (massively delayed) product of the digitisation work, and AIUI the PDF production (and some certificates?) are making use of images captured as part of this.

I could be wrong, but I don't think there was originally a plan to release the digitised images at low cost in the form they are now available.  IIRC at the time the project was running the people in charge took the view that the records could (legally) only be issued in certificate form.

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The Common Room / Re: Quality of GRO Digital Images
« on: Thursday 25 September 25 14:03 BST (UK)  »
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So that is why, some entries are no longer instant!

I wonder if we are shooting ourselves in the foot, a bit, by complaining, if withdrawing all the entries of that page is going to be their answer.

Mind you, I suppose if I buy a pint of milk, I expect a pint. Not 7/8 ths of a pint

I think there is some foot shooting going on... buying the 'other half' of an misaligned image costs £3 and is instant.  Buying a PDF costs £8 and can take a few days.

So buy two 'half' images for £6, or have a refund and wait for the PDF for £8.   I know which I'd do.

There also seems to be the issue that reporting results in the page being taken out of the digital option - which means anyone else looking for an entry on that page will also have to pay at least £8, rather than having the £3/£6 option available to them.

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