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The Common Room / Re: Young Genealogists
« on: Wednesday 16 April 25 12:37 BST (UK)  »
I think it comes under life skills not an academic subject. Many of us have been saying for decades that the number of school academic subjects could reduce and life skills training could increase for the majority of pupils and they would greatly benefit from it.

That was understood - the point was there are so many 'life skills' that currently don't get taught that making a list of everything which ought to be added would put 'family history' a fair way down the list.

The reason people have been suggesting changes for decades with nothing much changing is because adding something in means taking something away... and it isn't easy deciding what to take away because there will be knock-on effects.

My friend's children had an introduction to the topic of family history in primary school via history classes finding out about someone in your family who died (or was involved) in the First World War - with the option of making it someone who had lived in your street or neighbourhood for those who didn't have family connections.  I reckon that is about as far as anyone can reasonably expect genealogy to be embedded into the general education curriculum.

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The Common Room / Re: Young Genealogists
« on: Wednesday 16 April 25 09:01 BST (UK)  »
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Encouraging young genealogists is something we can all do, maybe appreciating the importance of genealogy should be part of the citizenship curriculum at school ?
...Opinions vary but I would say that a child knowing his/ her 8 great grandparents with full event date/location details is a good standard of knowledge.

Although many of us would sympathise with this point of view, I think you might struggle to get it accepted on a wider basis.

There is so much that children today are expected to learn in the few years they are at school the idea of adding genealogy as anything more than a passing reference in a single lesson would be a hard sell (I think money and personal finances would score much higher on the 'what kids need to learn' scale)

There's also the ticklish issue of many children not knowing who one of their parents is, let alone all 8 ggparents. (I'd fail, as one of my 8 is always going to be an 'unknown')

I'd also think twice about making something compulsory because making children research their family history might put them off for life - in the same way you hear people (proudly) saying they have no interest in maths, geography, religion, or history because they hated it at school.

I think it is something better left largely as a hobby people come to of their own accord, with just small nudges in that direction from parents and grandparents.

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It is possible to use Ancestry without a subscription, but you can't view any Ancestry records.
I have about 12 trees, but no current subscription.

TBH I'd be cautious about using Ancestry for a tree if not subscribing, or at least make sure regular copies are made into an offline system.

As a commercial organisation there's not much stopping Ancestry introducing a policy in future where only subscribers are able to see the trees they've uploaded.  A semi-related thing happened with FindMyPast where library users were able to save records within their account to view when they got home... then FindMyPast changed it so you had to subscribe to see saved records.

I'm not saying Ancestry will change access rules, but worth thinking about for anyone relying on their site as the sole location a tree is stored.

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It's funny to find someone still writing about 'programmes', which normally suggest radio or concert-hall.  Maybe we have to blame America, but since about 1970 anything loosely connected with computers has been a Program - same word but different flavour  :-[

"Flavor", surely?  ;)

About 10 years ago I noticed some organisations in the UK were starting to switch to 'programme'... but then everything became an 'App' instead.

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The Common Room / Re: Another agricultural query
« on: Saturday 29 March 25 08:42 GMT (UK)  »
A farmer usually had fields that adjoined each other and for crossing pastureland and old lanes  the farmer only had to move a large wooden lever to lift the plough and lower a wheel.

Ploughs were also moved around the farm on a 'sledge' - like a child's sledge, but large and robust enough to take the weight of a plough and be dragged over rough ground.

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The Common Room / Re: Another agricultural query
« on: Friday 28 March 25 18:14 GMT (UK)  »
I suppose my question would be: why wouldn’t they have used a cart or wagon?

Some probably did - but bear in mind lifting a plough on and off a wagon would be a two or three person job, and the wagon wouldn't neccesarily travel a great deal faster.

To us using a cart or wagon might seem the obvious solution, because what we would do today would be hitching a trailer to the car and loading the plough on the trailer, and then drive however far in airconditioned comfort.  The cart/wagon is the closest alternative to what we'd do.

But the day job for a ploughman would be ploughing at least an acre of land per day, which (depending on furrow width) involved a walking distance of (say) 10 miles.  More if he was using a larger team that could work faster.

So to the ploughman, walking 2 to 5 miles behind the plough to get to a ploughing match wouldn't have seemed out of the ordinary.

For a single furrow plough (typically used for match ploughing) you'd normally need only one or two horses - so if a team of three or four were being used it may be one or two were used for the journey there, leaving one or two fresh for the match work.

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The Common Room / Re: Another agricultural query
« on: Friday 28 March 25 17:51 GMT (UK)  »
  Thanks Nick. I found a picture of a Kent turn-wrest plough and I see what you mean about the wheels at the front. Most of the "roads" they were using would be fairly rough, I guess, just lanes.

I was going to mention the roads, but thought I'd said enough already.

Small horseploughs in that era would have had cast iron wheels - which on a hard road surface like modern roads would be noisy and cause the whole plough to vibrate... in other words quite tiring for the ploughman.

Because the wheels were designed to run on soft land when ploughing they would be happier running over the unmade/rough roads and tracks that were common in rural areas.

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The Common Room / Re: Another agricultural query
« on: Thursday 27 March 25 21:59 GMT (UK)  »

By the 1840's ploughs would commonly have wheels (but not universally), so it is plausible the plough would just be pulled along the road or tracks on it's own wheels to get to the match site.

The wheels were usually independently height adjustable - in most cases when ploughing one wheel would be set much lower to run in the furrow, whereas the other wheel would run 'on the land'.  For transport the wheels would be adjusted to the same height.

As the wheels were usually right at the front the ploughman would have to 'lift' the plough so the plough body would be clear of the ground.  Doing that for 5 miles would be hard work.

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The Common Room / Re: Newspaper reports of marriages.
« on: Saturday 22 March 25 19:28 GMT (UK)  »
Was this some sort of code that everyone at the time would have understood or is my imagingation running away with me?

You mean something like "Arranged in a great hurry so not enough time to invite a more extensive guest list" ?

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