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Sussex / Re: Albert Richard Martin & Mary Ann Back
« on: Thursday 24 November 16 10:21 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: avm228 on Thursday 24 November 16 10:13 GMT (UK)
I see that Mary Ann Martin (mum) claims to be married, not widowed, in 1901.

Adds to the mystery and confusion, maybe she said she was married to save face?

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Sussex / Re: Albert Richard Martin & Mary Ann Back
« on: Thursday 24 November 16 10:07 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: sillgen on Thursday 24 November 16 08:27 GMT (UK)
The A for Albert is not lower case.  It is a way of writing in those days and the same for Mary Ann.
Have you looked after the birth for a marriage?   
The Royal Sussex Regiment archives may hold clues.
http://www.eastbournemuseums.co.uk/royal-sussex-regiment.aspx

Try the record office too.  http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/c8e387ee-6864-480e-a39f-5713b2d71cbc

Thankyou for the input re. naming in those days... I'll go with Albert being his first name then. I guess the only other thing that troubled me was he was written down as Richard Albert Martin on Mary Richmond's 1919 marriage cert but of course this is likely a mistake from whoever filled out the form.

Quote from: sillgen on Thursday 24 November 16 08:47 GMT (UK)
The 1901 census for the family in Brighton shows that there are children from the marriage to Thomas Back living with Mary, who is a laundry woman age 40 and born Ashurst Sussex.
Ref RG13 Piece 924 folio 9 page 9.
I assume you have this.
Yes I have this, I have her in 1911 as Back as you also found and as you eluded to afterwards I strongly suspect that they never married. But he must have been around for a little while as he was the one to go into the register office and fill out Mary Richmond's birth details...which rules out a fleeting romance which may have ended shortly after her conception.

There isn't much on offer in terms of Albert or Richard Martin's enlisted by 1898 in the Royal Sussex Regiment either.

Looking at Deaths from 1898 to 1919 Richard Martin died 1899 in Brighton (aged 35)...fit's in with not being with Mary Ann and daughter on 1901 census...

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Sussex / Albert Richard Martin & Mary Ann Back
« on: Thursday 24 November 16 05:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

After some help with the attached birth cert for my great grandmother Mary Richmond Martin. Firstly her mother Mary Ann listed as Martin, late Beck (actually Back) formerly Martin. Her husband Thomas Back died in 1895, however I cannot find a marriage record for her and Albert Richard following this date, does this mean suggest she was born Martin, married Back then changed to Martin afterwards and coincidentally had a child with a Martin.

Additionally is Albert Richard's first name likely to be Albert or Richard given he put Albert first but in lowercase and Richard second but with a capital R?

Finally i've struggled to find any other records of this Albert Richard Martin, no birth or war records...he is listed as deceased on Mary Richmond's 1919 marriage certificate but that is about it. If anyone has time or any other information that may help me find out more about him it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

James


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with surname from Will - Aaron Potipher
« on: Wednesday 30 January 13 12:59 GMT (UK)  »
Yeah that relates to the following Will at the bottom from another person.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with surname from Will - Aaron Potipher
« on: Wednesday 30 January 13 11:41 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: veeblevort on Wednesday 30 January 13 11:28 GMT (UK)
The probate details mentioned assets in the Netherlands I believe. Has your
searching included that country?

Agree with PrueM that there is no match with 'E'. Will attach a sample 'C'
from the original post which is nicely written.

vv.


Where exactly do you in the Will do you see it mentions the Netherlands? I wouldn't have a clue on researching genealogical information in the Netherlands and what avenues are available.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with surname from Will - Aaron Potipher
« on: Wednesday 30 January 13 08:17 GMT (UK)  »
Yes trying to find a Sarah married to a Mr Potipher/Potiphar in the early 1700's. I am yet to find a Christening record for Aaron, the only way i know he was born around 1729 is that on the 1759 Marriage Bonds & Allegations record to Elizabeth Cleeve it states he is 30 years of age.

His Will says he was from Barking, Essex, he was married in St Catherine, Coleman Church which i believe now to be called 'All Hallows Coleman Church' in nearby Aldgate...

There were a few burials i found through searching for a couple of Potipher's who were buried in Barking, Essex around the later part of the 1700's which could be his brothers but i cannot seem to find Christening records for them either.

A slight conundrum i guess...

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with surname from Will - Aaron Potipher
« on: Tuesday 29 January 13 22:22 GMT (UK)  »
Thankyou for the help, Fairly certain it is Cunison. Aaron was born in 1729 and there is a Marriage Bond & allegation in Essex 1736 for a Sarah Potiphar to a Francis Cunison...It states on the recored Sarah is a Widow so it seems Aaron's father died soon after he was born. Unfortunately that doesn't give me her maiden name or help too much in finding the name of Aaron's father which has been elusive for a while now. Given Cunison isn't an overly common surname i dare say there will be variations on it's spelling on records which i will look into.

I shall keep digging.

Cheers

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with surname from Will - Aaron Potipher
« on: Tuesday 29 January 13 15:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Was wondering if some of the experts could help me with deciphering the surname of Aaron Potipher's mother's Surname from his will. First name seems to be Sarah... surname not so sure of. Will is from around 1795 from Barking, Essex region.

Any help would be muchly appreciated, i've attached a cut version of the text + full Will (Top section of Will over too the right.

Cheers

* Moderator comment: full will removed and replaced with a section only.  Please do not post entire copyright images on Rootschat. Only portions may be posted, for decipherment purposes *

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with name on Birth certificate (Titchener family)
« on: Monday 25 July 11 09:39 BST (UK)  »
Thanks heaps guys, i cant seem to find a Birth Index record for Emma Sutehall/Sutchall which is frustrating or a Marriage Record for a Frank/Thomas Titchener and Emma but hopefully i can so i can order the certificates.

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