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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Birth look up please?!
« on: Tuesday 10 September 13 21:27 BST (UK)  »
extremely sad..I downloaded about 20 of the articles last night, most of them were of Margaret. She seems a very violent drunk, some of the incidents especially where the children are involved are awful.
There was a later one in 1915 where Mary Ann had who had been convicted on cruelty to her children had broke her probation bond & sentenced to 4 months in prison. I certainly didn't expect to find anything like this, it's shocking.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Birth look up please?!
« on: Tuesday 10 September 13 11:49 BST (UK)  »
my god It's her!!! thanks so much for that Gali.

Mary Ann Carr  born 7 Oct 1876, illegitimate, mother Margaret Carr, Prisoner!! She was born in the General Prison Perth

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Birth look up please?!
« on: Tuesday 10 September 13 11:04 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Gali, yes that's her in 1901, I couldn't find her in 1891 in Dundee either so that one from the Catholic Orphanage looks like it's her & would tie in with the newspaper article above.
I'm wondering now from Forforian post could it be correct & she isn't their daughter?! my head is melting!!

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Birth look up please?!
« on: Tuesday 10 September 13 00:14 BST (UK)  »
It's http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

Let us know what you find!

my god!!!! so far I've found 11 different articles just on the mother's Margaret Carr Carroll's crimes! It seems from the bits I've read so far she was a violent drunk & constantly being sentenced to prison! Quite a shocking one about Mary Ann hanging from a rooftop to escape her mother!

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Birth look up please?!
« on: Monday 09 September 13 22:41 BST (UK)  »
Can't help at the moment with your original question but you should look into the numerous mentions of both Owen Carroll and Margaret Carr or Carroll amongst the Tayside section on britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk ... a complicated family perhaps. 

Also search under 'Mary Carroll' ... September 1887 ... I think this is your 11 year old Mary Ann? brought before the Court under the Industrial Schools act?

this is interesting! is there a link you can send please

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Birth look up please?!
« on: Monday 09 September 13 22:40 BST (UK)  »
The 1881 shows spelling as Carrol so I checked SP and there is a birth in Angus for a Mary Carrol in 1876

Thanks for that, have just done this one. The mother is Ann Carroll & no father? I'm lost!

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Birth look up please?!
« on: Monday 09 September 13 22:37 BST (UK)  »
Why not just put the birth aside for the moment and look for the parents' marriage? I see that there was a son Francis, aged 18, and sons James, 12, and Edward, 10, the last two born in Dundee. If you get one of their birth certificates it should tell you the date and place of their parents' marriage.



I tried the other children but nothing, I can't find these births either? I found two James Carrolls but not the correct parents?!

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Birth look up please?!
« on: Monday 09 September 13 20:29 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Carole, I had tried that one but the parents are listed as Thomas & Eliza Carroll.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Birth look up please?!
« on: Monday 09 September 13 19:41 BST (UK)  »
Can someone please look up a birth for me?

Mary Ann Carroll, parents Owen Carroll & Margaret Carr. 1881 census at 26 Foundry Lane, Dundee has her birth to be around 1877 & born in Dundee. Parents are down as both born in Glasgow, Lanark.

I've looked on SP, used all my credits and still can't find her or a marriage cert for parents  ???
Please & thank you! ;D

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