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World War One / Re: Help Finding Some "Missing" Men
« on: Thursday 13 June 13 00:23 BST (UK)  »
I've partially solved one of them thanks to local papers. This is a summary of what was written about him:

Chatham Observer 23 3 18: 
DRIVER ARTHUR WILLIAM MOON
Mech Transport Section of ASC.
Adopted son of Mrs E Doyle of Westcourt St
25yo. Educ Holy Trinity. Corporal Church Lads’ Brigade.
Went to France Sept 1914. In France 2 ˝ years. 3 months ago taken to hospital with consumption. Died in Brompton Hospital (NB is this London?) Monday week.
Gillingham Cemetery, Rev WD Driver conducted service. List of mourners.

It seems he served under his birth name, but appears on the memorial under his adopted name.

However..... just to confuse things the address is 24 Westcourt Street, the same address Annette found for Arthur Watts Doyle's mother, so I'm not entirely sure what is going on with this one.

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World War One / Re: Help Finding Some "Missing" Men
« on: Friday 24 May 13 04:02 BST (UK)  »
I've looked at Arthur Watts Doyle and the Brompton connection grows stronger. Although he joined the Inniskillins in Jan 1888, by March 1888 he had transferred to the Royal Engineers who are based at the School of Military Engineering in Brompton.  His records also show he married the widow of a SSM in the ASC in 1895, so there is a vague ASC connection too.

I also found this in the National Roll of the Great War:

DOYLE, A. J., Pte., R.A.S.C. (M.T.).
He volunteered in August, 1914, and served on both Western and Eastern Fronts. In France he was engaged on the transport of stores and ammunition to the trenches, and in Salonica drove a Staff car. He was invalided home on account of ill-health, and discharged in May 1916.
He holds the 1914 Star, General Service and Victory Medals.
43, Brenthurst Road, Willesden, N.W. 10          16379

I wonder if that's our man with a wrong initial?

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World War One / Re: Help Finding Some "Missing" Men
« on: Thursday 23 May 13 14:24 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Annette, that one definitely looks worth following up.

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World War One / Re: Help Finding Some "Missing" Men
« on: Thursday 23 May 13 00:13 BST (UK)  »
IMBER - I've reported W. H. Stace to the In From The Cold project, and will send the others if I find out enough about them.

Annete7 - Oliver George Stace is on the memorial and was fairly easy to find out about, which is why I'm surprised his brother is proving so elusive. Perhaps, as suggested, he served under an alias.

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World War One / Re: Help Finding Some "Missing" Men
« on: Wednesday 22 May 13 01:46 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the various replies, some food for thought there. I've ordered the death cert for Goodchild so maybe that will throw some light on that one.

If anyone has any additional clues I'd love to know.

I'm also surprised that on one memorial there are 5 names that don't seem to have a CWGC entry, in other people's experience, is that usual?

Also, in researching the memorial I found 4 more local men who died serving in the war who are not commemorated on the memorial. Is this an unusually high number on a memorial of 50 names?

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World War One / Help Finding Some "Missing" Men
« on: Monday 20 May 13 03:21 BST (UK)  »
I've been researching the names of the soldiers commemorated on the Brompton (Kent) War Memorial, and have found information on 45 of the 50 First World War names, but the last 5 are eluding me. 

Kent Fallen has no information on them (http://www.kentfalle...TS/BROMPTON.pdf) and I can't locate them in the censuses or military records.  Anyone able to find anything about them?

Driver T. Butler, Royal Horse Artillery.
Private A.W. Doyle, Royal Army Service Corps
Private A. H. Goodchild, Royal Army Ordnance Corps
Private R. Scott, Durham Light Infantry
Private W.H. Stace, Worcestershire Regiment

I might have found Goodchild's service number (S/4804) from the medal rolls, but can find no further information.

Thanks for any help you may be able to give with these men.

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Kent / Re: Old Brompton, Gillingham, Kent
« on: Thursday 10 January 13 00:56 GMT (UK)  »
The business was located at 6 High Street, Brompton and went through 3 phases:
1896-1903 James Charlesworth, Photographer
1903-1908 Charlesworth & Morehen
1908-1928 Morehen & Co.

It is possible that  your photo could be as late as c.1909 as I understand sometimes the cards the photographers used to mount the photos on could take many months to use up, so it is possible Morehen & Co were using up old stock of the Charlesworth & Morehen cards in the early months.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Can anyone help decipher this please?
« on: Saturday 17 December 11 22:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm trying to decipher some names and dates from a licensing record book for the North Aylesford Division in Kent. The licence refers to the Swan Public house in Brompton from 1914-22.

The landlord had been Cecil John Robins up until his death on the western front in 1918 [Private T/265247 Cecil John ROBINS. 1st Battalion, The Buffs (East Kent Regiment). Died 2nd August 1918. Born and resided Old Brompton. Enlisted Chatham. Buried Abeele Aerodrome Military Cemetery, Poperinge, West-Vlaanderen, Belgium. Grave reference II.C.16.]

He had married Elizabeth Constance W Elliott in 1910.

Attached is the section dealing with "Transferee, New Tenant or Occupier" & "Date of Tansfer"

So far I think I have:

(? ? ? ? ? ? 23/4/19 ? ? ? ? ? ?)
Elizth Constance Winifred   1919
   Moody formr Robins            March 6
Ernest Barnes Moody                 1920
                                               May 11

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England / Re: Abraham Moses/Morris Marks and Family
« on: Friday 04 November 11 16:38 GMT (UK)  »
There is some interesting information there I did not know. I can add a little more about him:

He was born about March 1875 in or near Stourbridge, Worcestershire.

I cannot find him, or his mother and sisters in the 1881 census, though his father is listed as a married man, but at his own father's address, 11 Wood Street, Woollaston, Stourbridge. Some information I have suggests that his mother may have been born in Zurich, Switzerland, so I wonder if they were out of the contry at that time? (This is pure supposition, but may account for their apparent absence in that census)

In the 1891 census he is living at 11 Wood Street, Woollaston, Stourbridge with his grandfather, parents, sister and cousin and his occupation is listed as Scholar.

In the 1901 census he is living at 9 Chattaway Street, Ashton, Birmingham with his sister and parents and his occupation is listed as Medical Student. (Given the 1901 information above, I assume he must have been in his final year at the time the census was taken.)

Speaking to my father, he told me that William was a doctor in Gillingham until the very late 1950s (although he could not remember the addreess, he thought it was somewhere near Gillingham Station), so this ties in with the information above. However, William retired to Woodchurch, near Tenterden in Kent in about 1959/60 (my father took my mother (William's grand-daughter) down there to try and patch up the family rift (unsucessfully) in about 1960/61, a year or so after he retired there) so he was no longer practising in Gillingham by that date. (I know from my own experiences that Kelly's were not always quick to update details of regular entries, so the 1964 entry may have just been using out of date information, or it may be that he had retired from practice, but still had a connection to the business.)

I hope this is of some help.

As a foot note, there is a strange connection here as my father's grandparents also lived for a while in Kingswood Road, Gillingham before moving to Suffolk just before the first world war.

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