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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Cecil
« on: Tuesday 13 December 11 11:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you EuroFlyer, a man after my own heart. Throughout my whole research with my tree, I have looked for and sometimes found those little crumbs of enlightenment into the lives of the people we add to our tree. In the census for trade, we read Ag Lab, and if not careful we enter that fact without a moments thought as to the crippling labour involved, the need for still more income to keep the ever growing family, without medical aid and regular infant deaths. In my own case the families had to sit round every spare minute of the day plaiting straw for the hat industry in Luton and Dunstable. This made life a little  more comfortable.
            Charles and Judith would have been very aware, if uneducated, with the causes of infant mortality and I would hope they both lived through their grief to a better place.
             Did you see the Len Goodman programme on "Who do you think you are" with the explanation as to how it was necessary to be a freeman of the city to carry out silk weaving?  I found the programme expectantly exiting the closer they got to Charles Cecil, knowing that this was one person from my tree.

Keep researching for the personal stuff and bring the ancestors alive. Every person had a story.

Derek (Pacemaker)

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Cecil
« on: Monday 12 December 11 15:05 GMT (UK)  »
Hi EuroFlyer,

                    Stay contented with Charles and Judith born 1717 and 1718, to follow Ancestry beyond that will lead you into a quagmire.  My branch from Charles comes through their son Thomas Cecil 1754 and Sarah.

Derek (Pacemaker)

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Cecil
« on: Friday 09 December 11 13:26 GMT (UK)  »
Groom,

Thanks for the reminder,  senior moment... Steer me to PMs

Pacemaker

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Cecil
« on: Friday 09 December 11 10:49 GMT (UK)  »
CecilyQ,
              I read Dawns message re passing likenesses  Charles Cecil 1718 silk weaver and his wife Judith Madelaine Raby are my ancestors. I would very much appreciate any photographs likenesses or documents you may have.
 When I first came upon this branch of my family tree I looked at it with tongue in cheek, as it seemed too good to be true. Since I found that I was in the middle of an arguement, I backed off as I live too far from the Archives of proof . I have left the Cecil branch from Judith Raby back into history to the history books and keep a watching brief from the sidelines.
    Your post ,though interested me as it dealt with the period of Charles  and Daniel Cecil and the Hugeunot silk weavers.
Looking forward to hearing fro you
Pacemaker

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Cecil
« on: Thursday 06 October 11 12:07 BST (UK)  »
I also watched the programme and noted the probability of Len Goodmans' relatives being the descendents of Charles Cecil and Judith Madelaine Raby

Pacemaker

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: James Cecil
« on: Sunday 06 February 11 13:56 GMT (UK)  »
I have only recently come across the Cecil family, when I decided to extend my research further with my maternal side of the family. Starting with Sarah Elizabeth Cecil b.1834 I followed the Cecil line back, admittedly using the Ancestry Website, and was astounded by what I uncovered. I always suspected that I had Huguenot ancestors and I had this confirmed.

When my search took me into the realms of the aristocracy, I became sceptical, as I think all genealogical researchers should be, but the overwhelming amount of information regarding this family of the Cecils and the number of  people involved in the search left me in little doubt that most of us were, in general ,on the right track.

With regard to the question of the origin of James Cecil 1646-1683. We should be viewing the area of Bethnal Green as it was in the 1600s, not as it became 200 years later.with vast brickfields and Victorian rookeries. You would have to go back into land ownership of the past and ascertain if the birth was recorded in more than one parish record, owing to the multiple residences that were used by the family. I am willing to believe that only one James Cecil is important to this line, mainly owing to the fact that all other persons before and after, such as Charles 1619 and Robert with his wife Elizabeth Meynell fall into place.

My search began with my grandmother Elizabeth Stump 1879 and finished on the Isle of Anglesea in the 900s with a few very big surprises on the way.

Does anyone else have a similar experience. Pacemaker

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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Re: Straw plait industry Bucks
« on: Sunday 08 August 10 13:16 BST (UK)  »
You may have noticed from other posts that my enquiries centre on the Grays of Edlesborough. My ancestor John Gray 1745 was first a butcher, but soon his family took the straw plaiting seriously as a way of making a living. Plaiting became important to the villages of Edlesborough and Eaton Bray throughout the 1800s, but very little of the day to day records are available to us today. My grandfather George Gray 1852 was a dealer with his brother  at the age of twelve . The English plait trade fell apart when the Napoleonic blockades were lifted and the Italian and Chinese  plait was cheaper to import. Even though my great uncle Walter Gray stayed dealing until his death in 1939, I have no record of this one time important addition to the employment of ordinary people. Would you have any book titles worth investigating? Pacemaker

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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / The Gray Family of Edlesborough
« on: Friday 09 July 10 17:14 BST (UK)  »
Why did the first Gray come to Edlesborough around 1760, why did they all leave with Walter being the last dying in 1939
Any help would be very welcome


Pacemaker

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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Straw plait industry Bucks
« on: Sunday 04 July 10 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Many of my ancestors were fully and part time employed in the straw plait trade.  The censuses show them as dealers and plaiters. I have read a couple of booklets on the trade associated with the hat industry in Dunstable and Luton.

For such a breadwinning trade, there seems  to be  very little in respect of records from the time, also its' rise and decline

Is anyone else interested in this subject.

Pacemaker

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