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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Military and Census
« on: Tuesday 27 August 13 15:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi to all those interested in Hugh Black and his wife Elizabeth Tapper.  I have been trying to track down information on my wife's gg grandmother Mabel Edith Black for a long time.

Jason P.
Alberta Canada

Hi Jason,

You'll see from previous posts that I probably have a connection to Mabel Edith although exactly what that connection is has still to be discovered (beyond an infant sister to Mabel buried in the same plot as my Great Grandparents in Limerick, Ireland).

The entry in the 1901 Canadian Census is interesting.   Her date of birth of 29 Jun 1878 is exactly the same as Mabel Edith Black born in Fort Carlisle, Cork, Ireland - so it seems safe to assume we have the correct person.   

I am intrigued that Mable is shown apparently with her maiden name but as a widow.    The one year old child Wilfred has the surname Black and, although listed as born in Ontario, has his nationality given as Irish - so presumably he is Mabel's child. He also seems to given the relationship of grand-daughter !!    We could be looking at Mable be a daughter-in-law to the family, although she not listed as such - or she could have had a previous marriage - or Wilfred could be illegitimate.   Might be interesting to find Wilfred's birth record.

best regards for now

Robert Dixon (a grandson of Lily Black)
near Glasgow, Scotland

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Military and Census
« on: Friday 21 September 12 12:16 BST (UK)  »
Rather belatedly finding your post and not sure if there might be a link or not.

In my family's Black grave in St Mary's Cathedral in Limerick there is a baby girl Elizabeth Emily Black who died 3rd Jan 1880 just 3 months old. Emily's parents were Hugh and Elizabeth Black (Elizabeth was nee Tapper).

Hugh was a prison warder at the military prison in New Barracks in Limerick and died sometime in the 3rd quarter of 1879 aged 42. Hugh and Elizabeth lived at 2 Roden Street, Limerick, which I suspect were military houses attached to the barracks.   I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect that the prison warder's job might have been something reserved for someone with past military service.

That's about all I know of Hugh and Elizabeth at this time but I'm intrigued by your mention of your William Hill having been in Limerick in 1881/82 and of his marrying Elizabeth Black (nee Tapper) later in 1882 - I wonder if our two Elizabeth Tapper's are one and the same.

Exactly how Hugh Black and baby Elizabeth fit into my family I don't yet know. My great great grandmother married two Sergeants from the 56th Foot, her second husband and my great great grandfather being William Black (1834-1877) - I wonder if William and Hugh might have been brothers.

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Ayrshire / Re: Muirkirk New Cemetery
« on: Thursday 31 May 12 23:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi Jim,

I'm fairly sure there won't be any official burial records online anywhere.   I've sent your query on to someone in Muirkirk who may pass it on further and/or get it published in the local community newsletter.

You may want to make contact with the Registrars who keep the burial records - the published contact details are

e: Muirkirk[replace with 'at' symbol]east-ayrshire.gov.uk
t: 01563 576695/6

Tihe Burns Monument Centre in Kilmarnock has a large range of information for family history research including access to to burial records - http://www.east-ayrshire.gov.uk/CommunityLifeAndLeisure/LibrariesAndArchives/Libraries-LocalAndSpecialCollections/ResearchingYourFamilyHistory/ResearchFamilyHistory.aspx


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Northamptonshire / Re: Help with burial lookup - William Black 1877
« on: Tuesday 15 June 10 10:35 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Sandy,

That is really appreciated.   I'm not surprised about the lack of a gravestone - GGGrandmother was back living in Dublin and giving birth just two months later - I guess she had other things on her mind and husband number 2 had already done his duty !!!!

Again, very many thanks indeed

Robert



Hi Robert.

Here is the burial at Kingsthorpe P.C.

25 Apr 1877
William BLACK, Militia Stores, NORTHAMPTON aged 42

There is no gravestone in the Churchyard.

Sandy   


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Northamptonshire / Help with burial lookup - William Black 1877
« on: Monday 14 June 10 23:20 BST (UK)  »
Wonder if anyone can assist with a burial lookup for a William Black who in Northampton on 21st April 1877.

Any help appreciated

Robert


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Northamptonshire / Re: Northampton & Rutland Militia
« on: Monday 14 June 10 23:02 BST (UK)  »
Sandy,

Thanks for the help - appreciated

Robert


Hi Robert.

Welcome to Rootschat.  :)

The Militia Stores was near Great Russell Street in Northampton.

It was in the area known as St.Andrews.

If you are able to view the census in 1871 it was here.

Rg 10/1484/ Page 19 Folio 43.

Hopefully you will see it will answer some of your question above.

Sandy

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Northamptonshire / Re: Northampton & Rutland Militia
« on: Monday 14 June 10 14:36 BST (UK)  »
Would anyone happen to know if there was any significance in living at 11 Militia Stores, Northampton and where that might have been in 1877.

My Great-Great-Grandfather resigned from the Army after serving for just over 21 years.   His papers  show him heading for Northampton.   He died about four years later in 1877 and his death certificate records him as living at 11 Militia Stores, Northampton and his Occupation being Staff Sergeant of Militia.

Would Staff sergeant have been a voluntary post in 1877 ?
Would the accommodation be for ex-soldiers or might it have been linked to the post?

thanks to anyone who can enlighten me



The Militia were the forerunners of todays Territorial Army...

Here is the timeline for them...

1833. 48th, or Northampton and Rutland Militia

1874. reorganised as two bns: 1st Battalion, 48th, or Northampton and Rutland Militia
 
2nd Battalion, 48th, or Northampton and Rutland Militia
 
1881 3rd Battalion, The Northamptonshire Regiment
HQ at Northampton

4th Battalion, The Northamptonshire Regiment
HQ at Northampton
 
1899. 3rd Battalion, The Northamptonshire Regiment
formed by amalgamation of 3rd Bn and 4th Bn

1908. transferred to Special Reserve at formation of Territorial Force

1921 Special Reserve ,redesignated Militia

1924 Transferred to Supplementary Reserve

1953 Disbanded

 The oldest of the auxiliary forces was the Militia which first appeared in the statute books in 1558, but traced something of a legislative continuity back to the Anglo-Saxon fyrd as constituted by King Alfred in the 9th century. Some modern militia regiments traced their corporate ancestry to the 12th century. The Militia had a formal statutory existence from 1558 to 1604, 1648 to 1735, 1757 to 1831, and from 1852 to 1908. The term "trained bands" was used to describe the more elite militia from 1573 to 1663, and continued to be used to describe the militia of London until 1793.

 The Militia have always been a "territorial" force (not to be confused with the "Territorial Force"), answering to the county High Sheriff and later the Lord Lieutenant. Officers' qualifications included the provision that they be local land owners. Service in the Militia was usually voluntary, but where recruitment failed the ranks could be filled by ballot. Many classes were exempt from service in the Militia, including peers, soldiers, clergy, etc. An Act of 1662 formed the basis for Militia law until 1908.
 
 A series of further Militia Acts, notably in 1761, 1768 and 1802 had the effect of transforming the Militia from a local police and and national defence force into a reserve for the Regular Army. Those earlier functions were now filled by the Volunteers. Between 1808 and 1812 another series of Acts made Militia service compulsory for men between the ages of 18 and 30. In the 1850s, almost every Militia regiment was mobilised for home defence in order to release the whole Regular Army to cope with the Crimean War and the Indian Mutiny. 
 In 1881 Militia battalions were redesignated as the 3rd (and sometimes 4th) Battalion of regular infantry regiments, but without changing their Militia status. (In the case of Ireland, ten regiments had to accommodate thirty-two battalions of militia, giving regiments up to four militia battalions.) In 1908 the Militia ceased to exist, and its units were transferred to the Special Reserve, but they retained their battalion designations in the regimental system. The Special Reserve was renamed the "Militia" in 1921, but all its units quietly went into suspended animation. Militia battalions were last embodied in the First World War, when they served to provide drafts for their regular counterparts. The Militia was not reactivated during the Second World War, and it was formally disbanded in 1953.

 The late 1960s witnessed the first use of the "3rd Battalion" designator for non-Militia units. Two old Militia units survive in the 1990s: (1) The Royal Monmouthshire Militia, raised in 1539 and converted to engineers in 1877, transferred to the Territorial Army in 1953 where it has the honoured position of senior unit since the Militia took precedence over the Volunteers; (2) The Royal Militia of the Island of Jersey (which dates from the 13th century, but cannot claim seniority due to its broken history), was embodied in 1939 and became the 11th Battalion of The Hampshire Regiment. Disbanded in 1946, it was reactivated in 1987 as Jersey Field Squadron (The Royal Militia Island of Jersey) in 111 Engineer Regiment.


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