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Messages - Elwyn Soutter

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Ireland / Re: Mary Jane Malcolm
« on: Wednesday 10 September 25 16:58 BST (UK)  »
A possible brother for Mary Jane here:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09453/5425033.pdf

A possible sister here:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11426/8197254.pdf

The geographic area is right but I note the father William was a police sergeant, whereas your William appears to have remained a Constable. But who knows?

Isabella in 1901:

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban_No__1/De_Burgh_Square/1530678/

and 1911:

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__1_/De_Burgh_Square/627677/

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Ireland / Re: Mary Jane Malcolm
« on: Wednesday 10 September 25 15:13 BST (UK)  »
Mary Jane was living in Bryansford and married in Kilcoo Church of Ireland. So possibly was baptised there too c 1831. Kilcoo’s baptism records start in 1786. There’s a copy in PRONI in Belfast (personal visit required to view them) and there’s some years on rootsireland (I don’t know which years).

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Ireland / Re: Mary Jane Malcolm
« on: Wednesday 10 September 25 13:45 BST (UK)  »
Couple married in Co Down (which is in Ulster, not Leinster). Thomas had been married before and was in the army (so perhaps not native to Co Down?).

Mary Jane’s father William was a policeman. RIC policy generally was not to post Constables to counties where they were born or had family connections, so he too may not be a native of Co Down.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09370/5393614.pdf

That said, the RIC recruitment records on Ancestry record a William Malcolm from Co Down who was recruited in 1828, aged 23. Place of birth was Co. Down.

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The Common Room / Re: Did Martin West own his Farm?
« on: Monday 08 September 25 20:42 BST (UK)  »
My expertise is in Irish land ownership not English but this enquiry strikes a chord. In Ireland most farmland was leased (as opposed to owned outright by the farmer) and in the 1700s 3 lives leases were common here too. When a farmer died, in his will, he could leave the leased farm to a descendant (often the eldest son) or he might direct it be sold. What was being sold was the unexpired portion of the lease (which might also have been renewable in many cases, so of significant value), plus the crops in the ground, the livestock, seed, tools and machinery and the contents of the farmhouse.

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Ireland / Re: Elenor Gingles/Scott
« on: Tuesday 02 September 25 12:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: KGarrad on Tuesday 02 September 25 08:57 BST (UK)

Are Presbyterian marriage icences available anywhere?


The licences themselves no longer exist but the North of Ireland FHS has some marriage application records (forms the couple completed at the time, which contain a little more than is on the certificate) for Presbyterian churches in Belfast. I don’t know if they have Crescent but you could ask. The records are not on-line so you would need to e-mail them. Crescent was known as Linenhall until 1887.

https://www.nifhs.org/

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Ireland / Re: Elenor Gingles/Scott
« on: Monday 01 September 25 21:11 BST (UK)  »
Looks as though James absconded. This might be his brother in the 1901 census:

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Larne/Cross_Street/995605/

Perhaps this family in the 1851 census:

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1851/Antrim/Upper_Glenarm/Grange_Of_Killyglen/Killyglen/30/

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Ireland / Re: Elenor Gingles/Scott
« on: Monday 01 September 25 19:22 BST (UK)  »
I looked for James death and couldn't find it in Ireland. Perhaps he died elsewhere? Agree it's not something we have resolved.

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Ireland / Re: Elenor Gingles/Scott
« on: Monday 01 September 25 16:32 BST (UK)  »
I'll add the 1911 census where the surname is Gingles again.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Collingwood_Ave_/158994/


Maggie Scott’s first marriage in 1880 to Samuel Livingstone:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11048/8041215.pdf

His death in 1886:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06263/4794010.pdf


Mary Louisa’s marriage in 1918 (which confirms her father’s name and that he was dead):


https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09716/5525265.pdf

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Ireland / Re: Elenor Gingles/Scott
« on: Monday 01 September 25 16:26 BST (UK)  »
If this is the correct birth certificate it gives both parents names, and indicates they were married:

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1892/02328/1871736.pdf

However the mother’s name is Maggie Scott not Elenor. Odd. But I think it’s the right parents though. This looks to be their marriage in 1889. Note that Maggie was a widow, whose maiden name was Scott.

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10731/5912609.pdf

I think the mother’s place of birth in the 1901 census is Cabrag(h), Co Down, (not Carlow).

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Ardgowan_Street/1208681/

In the 1901 census, the mother seems to have reverted to her maiden name.

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