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Dorset / Re: William GOLLOP
« on: Friday 11 June 10 15:37 BST (UK)  »
Hi again

William and John  are very popular names for the Gollop family...My dad was william henry..his dad was william arthur, his dad was william henry, who was killed in ww1 and is buried in belgium (my father was named after him) and his father was william barber gollop who is the son of Henry gollop
from honiton...I don't know for sure if it was henry or william barber that made the move to battersea
from devon,  I think your william is from the dorset line but I believe they will hook up together in the preceding generations.  It's hard to find without census for the earlier year...I think we need more church records  I'm new on this site..not sure how to send you a personal message...I hit the email icon at top...see how that works
cheer pamzilla

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Dorset / Re: William GOLLOP
« on: Friday 11 June 10 02:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi al B
Yes I belong to the family with temperence gollop...she is my 5th grandmother and her parents ester and edward are my 6th grandparents...but I don't know anything before that...I have a picture of their home in honiton on 37 high st.
The gollops can trace their ancestry back to 1465 when they arrived in England from either Scotland or Scandanavia and fought as soldiers of fortune for Edward IV, they did so well that John was given the  heiress Alice Temple in marriage and so inherited a large part of Devon. The family continued to prosper and the line descended unbroken to the present day. Although we can assume we are descended from the original John Gollop it is difficult to ascertain where our part of the family branches off.
I'm trying to connect the two since edward was born in 1778, thats  300 yrs to fill that gap!
Oh if anyone wants to know...temperence had henry out of wedlock and her sister ann did indeed marry william maddock and she had a son named william and a daughter named emma. 
any help in connecting these will be great as I live in canada...I hope the photo of my cousin's in front of temperence's house uploads okay.

Thanks again Al b

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Dorset / Re: William Gollop
« on: Thursday 10 June 10 22:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi Al and all  ;D

It certainly  looks as if the Charmouth family of Edward & Sarah GOLLOP are your William's family - there was not, as it happens another more obvious Census choice for your William b abt 1837 other that these ones. The names, location , occupations age all fits....I also think you are right  in his age -  for if yours did marry Francis, it seems he  consistently returned a YOB circa 1837.

There is an extracted Birth on the IGI  for :
William James GOLLOP born 20 APr 1837, Chr 4 May 1837 Independant, Charmouth
Parents are  Edward  GOLLOP & Sarah CLARKE

Do you have any evidence anywhere of your William having a middle name? Though perhaps it was a Christening name and never thereafter used by the parents or himself. Also interesting to note that Edward & Sarah's dau Louise was baptised with another first Christian name that doesn't show anywhere else, not even on her death record (probably 1895 per FREEBMD)

I do wonder if William is Devon  in 1841...The key to deciding if this is a possibility   is in discovering who 'your' Edward's parents are

There are 2 WIlliam GOLLOP's in Honiton 1841 both say born in Devon - and I believe they are  are probably related (cousins?). One is  with parents James & Charlotte and he's with them in 1851 too born in Honiton, , and I believe this William he went on to marry a Mary Underdown and is in Census thru with her.

The other one is this:--

1841: Homiton, Devon - Hundred of Axminster
REF: HO107/200/20, Fol 5 - Pg4
ADDRESS: Crown & Sceptre Court
//
Ester GOLLOP 65, Lace Maker - N
Ann GOLLOP 30 Lace Maker - Y
Temperance GOLLOP 30 Lace Maker - Y
Henry GOLLOP 11, Shoe Maker - Y
/
William GOLLOP 4 - Y
Mary DRAKE 15 Lace Maker Y
//


the / & // marks denote they were in the same house and in this case I would have thought,  that the first 4 were nuclear mother and daughters, with Henry being the son of one of the 2 younger women) and the other 2 chd were not so nuclear  ie possibly grandchildren who parent(s) are not in the house? The IGI lists 2 children to Esther and Edward GOLLOP: Edward and Temperance. No Ann.

Of course the William in 1841 with Ester  may not even have been born Honiton, but I  can't find evidence of a second William GOLLOP born Honiton circa 1837 on any Census other than the son of Henry & Charlotte.........

This website:
 http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg49.htm
Talks of an Ann GOLLOP who went on to marry William E MADDOCK. - indicates Temperance was Ann's sister and Henry was probably Temperance's son.
In 1851 they are all together in Devon.. In 1861 Henry GOLLOP, a Bootmaker,  is married to a Mahala with children, one of whom is named Ester.

This researcher then goes on, it appears, to list a  James GOLLOP b 1811  and Mary,  of Honiton -  he does not list an Ann as a daughter but he does note that James & Mary and their family live on Crown & Sceptre court in 1841, the same as Ann does ( we know, with Ester).

He also then lists James and Charlotte GOLLOP, the parents of the other William I found in 1841 Honiton.
He also then states Ann GOLLOP was the daughter of Esther.
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg46.htm#1626
and that Ester's husband was Edward:
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg46.htm#1627
He then lists children of Esther & Edward as Ann, Temperance, Henry and WIlliam - but patenly wrong I beleive, in the last two - Ester would have been too old to give birth to them herself (besides which he elsewhere states Henry is a nephew of Ann, not a brother).

It may be worth contacting the website owner to see what more he may have on these GOLLOP's - ie: on the Esther & Edward GOLLOP and their son Edward....
Email link for them is on home page here:
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/


Cheers
AMBLY

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