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Louth / Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« on: Tuesday 10 September 19 21:47 BST (UK)  »
an interesting and colourful historical document relating to Brabazon Eccleston , late Sheriff of County Louth :

https://www.whytes.ie/art/1747-louth-warrant-for-the-arrest-of-brabazon-eccleston-late-sheriff-of-county-louth/150345/?SearchString=&LotNumSearch=&GuidePrice=&OrderBy=&ArtistID=&ArrangeBy=list&NumPerPage=15&offset=10

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Louth / Re: Brabazon Disney Shiels- One marriage entered in Catholic and COI??
« on: Tuesday 10 September 19 21:28 BST (UK)  »
This is extremely interesting to me as I have been tracing my paternal line (Little) who were resident around mid-Louth and were neighbours at one point of B.D.Sheils.
Indeed my 4th great grandfather William Little and B.D.Shiels (and a Rooney, if I recall) were listed as having performed road maintenance in the area on the Louth Assize records which are on the Louth County Council website archives section.
I just saw the record mentioning that Sheils was associated with Drumshallon which is quite some kilometres south of NewtownDarver and Mansfieldstown where Littles and Sheils appeared to have been around the early 1800s. I am tracing an earlier Little who appears on title deed transfers as a mere witness and a transcription of a now completely faded headstone near Drumshallon. I am beginning to wonder if my Little ancestors came through those locations in Mid Louth due to an association with the Sheils.

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Louth / Re: Margaret Bell
« on: Sunday 27 May 18 10:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi Freya , Les

I am just replying to ensure that I have the 2 posts necessary to exchange private messages to allow contact between us relatives !

I've been in touch with Les via Facebook and now Skype.
I live in the West of Ireland now but I grew up in Dublin.
My great grandfather also used Castlebellingham from time to time in terms of his postal address.
I believe that was possibly because that was the "postal district" as opposed to Darver/Dromiskin.
Another area my father spoke about was Readypenny , which is a more contemporary name for a townland not far from where the Little homestead was.

I've got land records from the valuation office in Dublin which show the succession of leasors of the properties which the Littles farmed from around 1853 to the 1970s. The farm went out of Little leaseholding around 1880s when one of the inheritors, a James Little died and it passed to his wife who was Little by marriage but born Carroll. It then past to other people during the time when finally Catholics could actually opt to purchase the land which they were forbidden from owning due to the various Land repeal acts. Ironically the Littles and Bells started out life as Protestant religion which would have given them rights to own land. However , I believe they were only starting to be in a position to have such income in the late 1700s and then they independently converted. I suspect that in terms of marriage options they were closer in the social stratum to their Catholic neighbours and that's what resulted in them converting to Catholicism. We have a William Little on the 1766 Religious census as one of only 9 or 10 Protestants in Dromiskin area of Louth. Then in 1789 my 4th great grandfather William Little married Catherine Holdcroft in the Darver Catholic parish and all children henceforth were brought up in the Catholic religion.

Freya - lovely to hear from you - I will reply to your PM

Talk soon,

--Ian

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Louth / Re: Margaret Bell
« on: Saturday 26 May 18 21:15 BST (UK)  »
Very nice to read all of the above.
I am a descendant of the same Little family who had a homestead in Darver, Louth from around the 1760s until 1880s or so. The last of the male Littles in that area was my great-great-grandfather, Thomas Little who died shortly after 1911 census and was living in Cuillenstown with his grandchildren (Reilly). I estimate that Mary Bell (nee Little) father was Michael Little, my 3rd great grandfather.

I was contacted yesterday evening by a gentleman in Australia who is a great grandson of Mary and William above. By this estimate he is a 4th degree cousin. My great grandfather Peter Little , son of Thomas Little of Darver (born 1851) left Darver for a career in the Irish Postal service from 1874 - 1912. He named his house in Serpentine Avenue , Ballsbridge "Darver" in honour of his love for his place of birth and rearing. I am interested in hearing from the relatives on this thread. I have many of the parish baptismal records from Darver. I also connected a branch of the Littles in Ardee to our Darver people via a marriage record and I have met some living relatives of those Littles who moved on to Pennsylvania in times close to the great famine.

Kind regards,

Ian Little

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Meath / Re: Thomas Hand/Hann, County Meath
« on: Monday 22 April 13 12:12 BST (UK)  »
Syddan COI parish is/was in the same geographic area as Lobinstown.
I found a full family of Hann's listed there some time ago as I have a particular interest in this family and the fairly unique spelling of the surname.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlmea2/Church/parish_of_syddan.htm

Anthony or George on that list are potential parents of Thomas based on estimates of ages,etc.
I managed to order some baptism records of these Hanns in the Lobinstown RC register via IFHF some time ago.
One was very interesting in that it showed an elderly member of the family having taken the RC faith and denounced his original COI faith (in the 1830s, if I recall during time of Emancipation!)
I also had noted some members of the family adopting the local/Gaelic name of Hand at certain times. I have more info and I have PMed the OP.

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Louth / Re: Hoey Louth - Kilsaran/ Castlebellingham
« on: Tuesday 17 August 10 21:07 BST (UK)  »
A very useful text which I have used for Mid-Louth is the
History of Kilsaran and Union parish of Louth, by Rev J.B.Leslie.

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyofkilsara00lesl/historyofkilsara00lesl_djvu.txt
http://www.archive.org/details/historyofkilsara00lesl

(The PDF file is worth the download if you have a wider interest in mid-Louth genealogy)

I find the following entries for Hoey's in Kilsaran parish:

Marriage record:
1822 June 6 — Hoey, Peter, to Anne Coleman.

Burial record :
[1822d.Au.30 — Hoey, Bryan, 83 ; see Tombstone Inscriptions.]
@ Kilsaran graveyard:
Hoey.— The Body of Bryan Hoey, wdtl. August 30th, 1822, a. 83 y.
is deposited underneath. Tsej^as a tribute of respect to his m. by his
youngest son, Peter H. [Headstone falling forward].

also :

Hand. — Tseb. John Hand im. his F. James H., Greenmount, wdtl.
on the third day of January a.d. 1754, a. 56 y. Also his W. Janet H.
(alias Hoey), wdtl. on the 15th day of Feb a.d. 1792, a. 95 y.


Hoey. — Eb. Edward Hoey, CB., im. his son James H., wdtl. 19th Sep.,
1814, a. 28 y. Also his dau. Margaret H. wdtl. 21st March, 1882, a. 80
y. Also abn. Edward H. and his bel. W. whose R. are interred here.

Hoey.— SM. James Hoey, Williamstown, wdtl. 11th May, 1882, a.
76 y. Also his dau. Rose (in religion Sister Mary of St. Johanna), wd.
on the 31st Jan., 1879, a. 18 y., and was interred in the Convent General
of Good Shepherd's, Angers, France.

Hoey. — [On pedestal] Erected by John Hoey and Charles D. King
a.d. 1880.

[On the four sides of Monument] —

(1.) OPS. Thomas Hoey, of the Lynns, died 6th Jany., 1839, a. 78 y. ;
his W. Margaret 14th March, 1854, a. 88. Their sons :— John, a. 20 ;
Patrick 21st Septr., 1851. Anne H. June, 1855. Her husband Thomas,
of CB., August, 1858. Anne H., of the Lynns, 29th Nov., 1878, a. 75.

(2.) OPS. Thomas H., d. 10th Janv., 1877, a. 75 y. Patrick John
H., 13th Septr., 1877, a. 77 y. Eliza, * wife of Patrick John H. 18th
Septr., 1900, a. 74 y.

(3.) OPS. John Hoey, of the Lynns, d. 2nd April, 1831, a. 67 y. His
wife Anne 28th May, 1849, a. 73 ; Their dau. Bridget 3rd Oct., 1828, a. 24.
Their son James 17th Feb. 1828, a. 19 ; Judith H. 1st Oct, 1837, a. 20.


{Key to above abbreviations:
Hlb.=Here lieth (or lies) the Body of.

Sm.=Sacred to the memory of ; Tm.=To the memory of ; Im.=In
memory of.

Eb.=Erected by.

Tseb.=This stone was erected by.

Tteb.=This tomb was erected by.

Tineb.=This monument was erected by.

PS. or OPS.=Pray for, or of your charity Pray for the soul of.

Wd.=Who died.

Wdtl.=Who departed this life.

A.=aged ; y.=years ; F.=Father ; M.=Mother; B. or Bs.= Brother
or Brothers ; S. or Ss.^Sister or Sisters ; H.=husband ; W.=Wife ;
D.=Daughter ; bel.=beloved ; abn.=the above named ; R.=the remains
of ; CB.=Castlebellingham.

}


There is a web page dedicated to the Hoy family of PA (USA) who have roots in Newragh and Darver parish , in particular. This is a good 10km or more North and West of Kilsaran. They were originally Hoeys who shortened the name, I assume, when naturalising in the USA.


--Ian

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Louth / Re: Graham Family of Dundalk and Drogheda.
« on: Thursday 12 August 10 01:02 BST (UK)  »
Coincidentally I came across John Graham and also Charity Graham recently as I've been doing some research on the Palatine settlements and specifically I was interested to try to find out where or with whom in Louth Palatine families were settled with.

I found that Alderman John Graham was one of the listed estate owners in 1709/1710 who was signed up to receiving Palatine families on to his lands. Somewhat later a muster roll of Palatines showed that there was one family with head of family named, Philip Boller resident at Plattin (presumably as an agricultural tenant/labourer with accomodation). I believe that roll call was made either in 1715 or , more likely, 1720.
The landowner was then listed as Charity Graham rather than John Graham.

I had found this http://genforum.genealogy.com/newton/messages/5005.html link which shows a will of a Maj. Gen John Newton of Drogheda. He lists out his nephews (incl. John Graham) and nieces (including Charity). Of course, perhaps, John's wife was Charity and daughter named after her.
I've seen John Graham's name on several of the deed agreements in the early 18th century in the title deeds of Louth records published within the Louth Historical/Archaeological society journals.
I understand that he was a very successful property developer (to use modern terms) and that there may be still a plaque in honour of him in St Peter's church of Ireland in Drogheda.

<side note>
Incidentally I am still looking into the wider Louth area regarding the extent of any Palatine settlements in Louth. Louth was one of the listed counties but really the settlements in Limerick, Cork, Wexford , Carlow and later Kerry had sufficient populations of Palatines to be described as settlements.

I started this investigation after I learned of some family lore in relation to my own surname which indicated that we were introduced into Louth a long time ago and had a German connection.
I have a list of 30+ landowners , mostly drawn from the influential Whigs in political and judicial power and within the large landholding classes of the early 18th century who were originally signed up to take on Palatines. I found this information in the Tennyson Groves transcripts of communications regarding the settlement of Irish Palatines. I may forward the list to Brendan or the forum to see if historians amongst you can recognise which of these may have had land interests in Louth.
I have specific information regarding a family in Ardee and mid-Louth and I am trying to unravel it at the moment.

-Ian

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Meath / Dunslaughter location or typo?
« on: Tuesday 27 July 10 23:12 BST (UK)  »
I am currently looking at a particular birth record on the LDS/Familysearch.org archive and the individuals birthplace around 1870s is listed as Dunslaughter, Co Meath.
Is this an old placename which actually existed or , if not, is this most likely a transcription error for
Dunshaughlin ? Are there any other locations within the County of Meath that this typo (or otherwise) could possibly refer to ?

-Ian

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Louth / Re: IFHF records for Louth
« on: Tuesday 06 July 10 21:00 BST (UK)  »
Shane,

Many thanks for your reply.

I have heard it suggested that mixed/denomination marriages were rare in Ireland until into the 19th century.

With emancipation and other repeals I understand that marriage across religious boundaries became less rare.
I agree that these birth events do look like they are definitely RC parish events and not a result of any transcription error, etc. I have also heard that , where mixed marriages this occur (before Ne Temere decree) that it was often custom that the males heirs were baptised in the protestant faith and the females in the RC faith.

--Ian


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