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New Zealand / Re: William Henry Catt in New Zealand
« on: Sunday 26 October 25 19:12 GMT (UK)  »
Sadly not. I think that they are only available in Brighton, not online. Unless you know different??? I'm in France so it's not easy, but it's also not impossible. 

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New Zealand / Re: William Henry Catt in New Zealand
« on: Sunday 26 October 25 18:07 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you.
Edmund's birth ties in with the death of Harriet Golding Phillips, she died 7 days aftr his birth suffering from Puerperal Fever, so post child birth complications.
In 1861 Edmund is in Battle Workhouse with his 3 older siblings.
William Catt had two further children with Harriet Turner - David and Mark. Mark is already covered in this thread. He died aged 8 months, shortly after the death of his mother Harriet Turner (also in the Workhouse).
David is on the 1861 census living with his mother's younger sister Martha in Hastings.
I am still wondering whether William left earlier than 1856 although if he wasn't on the Ann Thompson, which Mary Ann Morris was, there's was certainly a whirlwind romance, so he probably was.
I am not sure what happened to the two children we've 'found' today. The 3 eldest with Harriet Golding Phillips all appear to have travelled to NZ, I'm not sure about Edmund or David.
As you said, the inclusion of Harriet - called Fuller, but not really! - his second oldest child, in the newspaper article about William's death, suggests contact before 1900.
More work needed! I'm not familiar with NZ records. I've been their twice, once to follow the Lions in 2017 and once just before the Covid epidemic in 2020, but I'm slowly putting the pieces together.
Thanks for your help.

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New Zealand / Re: William Henry Catt in New Zealand
« on: Sunday 26 October 25 10:54 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks everyone
I think I have it now......
24/4/1852 First wife Harriet Golding Phillips dies of Puerperal Fever (6 days) in Ore. Tis suggests another birth, as yet no registration found.
28/4/1852 HGP buried in Fairlight
23/8/1852 William Catt marries Harriet Turner in Whatlington (her home village)
30/1/1855 Mark Catt born in Ore (there may be another child in this period?)
24/8/1855 Harriet Turner dies in Battle Workhouse & is buried at Ore
11/10/1855 Baby Mark dies in Workhouse and is buried
15/10/1855 in Westfield

The info that you have provided proves that this is the same George - my bad re date on Wellington marriage certificate and William's father. The NZ certificate has the groom's name where the UK one has the groom's father.

William isn't present at Mark's birth (or doesn't report it, Harriet does) and isn't present at Harriet's death so maybe he did leave England early enough to be in Wellington for that electoral roll entry?
This was my source for passengers on the Ann Wilson.
Thanks again

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New Zealand / Re: William Henry Catt in New Zealand
« on: Saturday 25 October 25 19:03 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both for your replies.
William 1, who was born in England, in Westfield in Sussex, the son of George & Ann.
His wife Harriet Golding Catt died 24/04/1852. William 1 was present at the death.
William 2 marries in Wellington on 12/04/1857. If this is the same William, these dates give a relatively small window for travel. I can't find him. You mention Australia, was this a slip or should I look at Aussie records too? The Aus/NZ reords are te one I am less sure about.

When William2 marries in Wellington, it is as William, not William Henry. He appears to acquire the Henry later, but he also records his father as William, the father of William 1 was George.

William 2 married Mary Ann Morris in Wellington. She arrived in NZ with her family on the 'Ann Wilson' which arrived in Wellington on 29/03/57. There is a story online that William2was on the same ship as Mary Ann, which makes sense as the wedding was just 6 weeks after this date, but the passenger records are online and I can't find him.

Also, there is an electoral record for William Catt in 1853-4 in Porira road, Wellington but this is a different area to Hutt.

Can either of you find his travel records?? 

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New Zealand / William Henry Catt in New Zealand
« on: Saturday 25 October 25 12:38 BST (UK)  »
I have a Harriett Catt, born in Sussex in 1848, in my tree. The daughter of William Catt and Harriet Golding (or Golden) Phillips. The mother, Harriet Golding/Golden Phillips died in Sussex in 1852 and in the 1861 census her 3 children with William Catt are in Battle Workhouse.

There is much info available about a William Henry Catt, born in England in 1825, who travelled to NZ in 1856/7 and married (as a bachelor) a Mary Ann Morris in Wellington.

I am looking for definitive proof that the William Henry Catt who married in NZ is the William Catt (never any evidence of any Henry) who was born in Sussex.

William Catt's daughter Harriet did emigrate to NZ in 1908 but to a different part. Knowing NZ, I am sceptical about this geography & also about why an abandoned child (if it is the same William Catt) would a) follow her father years later and b) then move to a different part of the country.

I am looking for evidence in either New Zealnd on England. TIA   

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Resources for Luddenden Foot
« on: Friday 28 March 25 17:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
I have a relative with possibly a bigamous marriage!
The gentleman's second 'wife' is, from 1891 census onwards called Mary Ann. She consistently gives her birth place as Luddenden Foot and her birth year as either 1854 or 1855.
In the 1921 census, she gives her age as 66 and 6 months which gives me early 1855 or late 1854 as her birth.
On the birth certificates of all 4 of her children she gives her maiden name as Fielden (I've also tried Fielding). Given that her 'husband' is definitely already married, this name may be an untruth.

In a nutshell, how do I find the 1851/1861/1871 census for Luddenden Foot? I have found some of 1851 and 1871 but it appears to only be part of the village and I can't find 1861 at all.
Also, any other info on Luddenden Foot, Fielden etc in 1855. Am I correct that the church wasn't yet built? Would they have gone into Halifax?
TIA 

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Armed Forces / Re: JULIUS TILLETT 52nd (The Oxfordshire) Regiment Of Foot 1851
« on: Wednesday 26 March 25 18:25 GMT (UK)  »
Wow. Thanks. They must have met when they were very young and he appears to have come back to Preston, from Ireland, to marry her. I wonder what happened next?

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Armed Forces / Re: JULIUS TILLETT 52nd (The Oxfordshire) Regiment Of Foot 1851
« on: Wednesday 26 March 25 16:52 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks to everyone who replied.

Thanks for the info re the 52nd in Preston. I did my initial officer candidate interview in those barracks before the joys of Westbury! How ironic. Full circle! I had found Ireland and India but nothing on Preson. Is there a link to a reference source please?

Yes, the baby, named after his father, died. Diarrhea for 6 days!

Obviously I can't tell whether the father was still alive when this happened. Maybe Julius (father) went off to India, leaving Alice alone? If the older Julius didn't die, then this would make her second marriage bigamous. So now, I need help on finding Julius!

Thanks again

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