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Cheshire / Re: 1851 Malpas - Done
« on: Wednesday 12 October 16 20:43 BST (UK)  »
"Sarah refers to the portrait of Ralph's Great Grandfather, Randle Brooke. This is what has thrown me for some time as Ralph's great grandfather was George Brooke (Susannah's father). However, George died when his children were young, leaving them in the guardianship of his brothers Ambrose and Randle. I think this is where the confusion probably lies. The portrait - which has survived! (I managed to track down to some distant relatives in the Malpas area) - is of an elderly man and so it cannot be of George who died relatively young."

I found a link between the Brooke and Brookes families and the Malpas branch.
It was hidden because of the change in name from Brooke to Brookes, but not necessarily adopted by all branches.
Ralph Stevenson's Great Grandfather was indeed, George Brooke.
George died when his children were between 10 and 18.
George wasn't particularly young when he died (for those days), he was around 48, but he did have his children fairly late in life. He didn't marry until he was 28.
People in those days seemed to look older than their years. Maybe he was in his late 40s when the picture was painted.
Can you check when the painting was painted? Sometimes they are dated on the back along with an artist's name?
If it really is of an old man, then it could be either George's brother Ambrose (b:1671) or Randle (b:1676) who were 8 and 3 years older than George respectively.
It all depends on the date of the painting.
Have a look at the PDF here to see if it throws any light on it. I would appreciate any updates on its correctness.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/Sarah%20Brookes%20Done.pdf

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Cheshire / Re: 1851 Malpas - Done
« on: Wednesday 23 April 14 18:32 BST (UK)  »
I have never found a definite link between Sarah Brooke Done and the Malpas Brookes.
The added complication was that around the 18th century, some of the Brooke family started changing their name to Brookes, there were even cases where they were born Brooke and died Brookes.
The Brookes you mentioned were descendants of William Wycherley Brookes.
William Lee Brookes, mentioned in Sarah's will, was my GG Grand-father.
Here is how he fits into my family :-
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/William%20Wycherley%20BROOKES.pdf
Here is the un-confirmed information relating to the Dones :-
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/Thomas%20BROOKE.pdf

The Brooke family were originally from Whitchurch then spread out to Dodington, Malpas, Broughall, Tushingham and Steeple Aston.
Let me know if you find any common ground or any information on the PDFs which needs updating.

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Cheshire / Re: 1851 Malpas - Done
« on: Monday 31 March 14 16:40 BST (UK)  »
Sue,
Did you ever get anywhere with this.
I know from previous exchanges that we have had, we appear to have common ancestors on the Brooke side.
Have a look at the pdf which I have uploaded here
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/Thomas%20BROOKE.pdf
Note that around the 18th century, the Brooke family started using the name Brookes, eg. Ambrose 'Brooke' (Randle's son) was godson to Ambrose 'Brookes'.
I am not sure who your grand-father/mother was, so I have included him/her as an un-named Stevenson, but he/she is probably one of the 7 siblings born to your 'Ralph'.
Please correct whatever is wrong and let me know.

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Other Countries / Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« on: Monday 25 March 13 12:16 GMT (UK)  »
I agree that the name Alexander Croal was prevalent at the time. I have 4 in my tree.
(1) Died 16 Feb 1842 in Werk-en-Rust. No relationship found.
(2) Born 13 May 1802 in Arbroath, married Mary Park (My GG Grandmother) 17 Aug 1834 in Greenock, died 3 Mar 1886 in Carnoustie.
(3) Died 1887, married Margaret (Maggie) Munroe. No relationship found.
(4) Born 11 Jul 1836 in Greenock, son of Alexander Croal(2) above, died Feb 1853 in Georgetown, Demerara.

I have no knowledge of an Alexander Croal married to a Susan Raitt, or one married to Jean Laurance.

I have linked an updated Croal family from John Croal, born 1765 in Arbroath. See if any of the names and or dates co-incide with yours.
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/John%20CROAL.pdf

In summary, most of my Croals were centred around Greenock, Liverpool, Georgetown Guyana and latterly, south east London.

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Other Countries / Re: The Croal Family of Guiana
« on: Monday 07 January 13 12:55 GMT (UK)  »
gareth_1971 - Thanks for that information.
I have fed it into my history file and produced the following PDF, which should show how we are related.
If I read it correctly, your wife is the GG grand-daughter of either Emma Simonetta, or Anna M Croal.
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/John%20CROAL.pdf

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The Lighter Side / Re: Who has a surprise connection to an historical figure?
« on: Tuesday 07 February 12 19:05 GMT (UK)  »
Emma SMITH was aunt of husband of Augusta CHRISTIE.
Augusta CHRISTIE was my 17th cousin 4 times removed.
Emma SMITH was James Austen's (Jane Austen's brother) wife.
The Christie's are the family who founded Glyndebourne Opera House.

Here's a good one, Old King Coel (Ceneu ap COEL) was my great (x46) grandfather.
Have a look at this (www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rnewfie/Family_History/), there are a few kings and queens in there.

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The Lighter Side / Re: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 9 Episode 10 TRACEY EMIN
« on: Friday 14 October 11 14:36 BST (UK)  »
I went into it expecting to hate her simply because of who she is
If you noticed, there was no mention of her parents in this programme. If you knew what she had to contend with when she was a child, you would think that she was an angel. I am surprised as to how well she turned out - Don't form judgements about people based on what the press report.

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Other Countries / The Croal Family of Guiana
« on: Thursday 13 October 11 13:36 BST (UK)  »
Can anyone please provide any information about the Croal family.
I would like to confirm if I am barking up the right (family) tree, so to speak.

I'll start off with what we do know :-
My grandmother's name was Marie (Marion) May Croal, born Q3 1899 in Great Clacton, Essex.
Her father's name was John Park Croal, born 17/08/1838 in Liverpool. Although the 61 years between Marie and her father seems wrong, her mother was born in 1868.
John Park Croal's father was Alexander Croal and his mother was Mary Park.

Now comes the speculative bit which needs confirming :-
John Park Croal's siblings were :-
Alexander Croal, born 11/07/1836 in Greenock. He apparently died in Georgetown, Guiana in Feb, 1853;
William Park Croal, born 9/10/1840 in West Derby (possibly Liverpool) and died Aug 1887 at sea in Rangoon;
Robert Weir Croal, born 1845 (don't know where) and died 5/5/1897 in Shanghai;
Isobella Sophia Croal, died Mar 1849 in Stepney, London.
Their father's name was Alexander Croal, born 3/5/1802 in Arbroath. In Greenock in 1834, he married a Mary Park, born 14/1/1808 in Greenock. He was a Master Mariner/Captain and in 1823 is recorded as living in Georgetown, Guiana. Is this the same Alexander Croal and Mary Park above, i.e. my great grandparents?

I have seen mention of a Mary Park being a 'British Guianan Colonist', whatever that is.

Is this Alexander Croal one of the British Guianan Croals which presumably Croal Street was named after?

Any information would be appreciated.

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The Common Room / Re: Help with interpreting a tree please
« on: Wednesday 17 August 11 10:49 BST (UK)  »
Robert Langham of Coppeshull (a 1500) m. Anne
1.    Thomas Langham of Coppeshull (a 1546)
2.    Robert Langham of Cold Ashby
A.    Richard Langham of Cold Ashby (bur 06.11.1582) m. Agnes

I may be thick, but this still doesn't make sense. I like things to be logical, but this isn't to me.

What is the relationship between Thomas, Robert and Richard? It looks like Thomas(1) and Robert(2) are brothers, but if Richard(A) is also a brother, then why is he (A) rather than (3)?  Or are you suggesting that Richard is Robert Junior's son, rather than Robert Senior?

What does '(a 1500)' mean? Presumably 'about', but is that when he married Anne, or when he was born? I am assuming the former.

What does the '(a 1546)' for Thomas mean? Is that when he was born or died?

My interpretation then, based on the dates, is that Robert married Anne in about 1500.
Thomas (Robert's son) wouldn't have then been born in about 1546, so that must have been when he died.
Richard (Robert's Junior's son) died in 1582.

All in all, I think this is very badly presented.

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