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London and Middlesex / Re: Mary Ann Waddington/Warrington born c 1830 Marylebone still searching
« on: Friday 11 April 25 14:27 BST (UK) »
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Canada / Re: Thomas Holloway born 1876 London, England emigrated to Toronto
« on: Thursday 10 April 25 18:16 BST (UK) »
Right, now for the Holloways!
The marriage cert shows Benjamin batchelor of full age, a cabinet maker. He is the son of John Holloway a foreman at the West India docks.
I haven't found Benjamin in the 1841 census but I think he the Benjamin shown in the London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1922 in 1840 son of John Holloway a weaver married to Sarah Field age 40 wife of 20 years as at last 14 Aug, married Stepney, no cert. Children Benjn age 19, John 17, George 15, Mary 13, Wm 9, Jeremiah 5, Edw 15 months.
The marriage record shows the marriage was by banns, witnesses Charles Ardonis and Mary Swan. Mary Holloway married Thomas Swan (widow) 17 Oct 1814 Christ Church, Spitalfields. Witness Benjamin Holloway.
I think this is the family minus Benjamin in 1841
John Holloway Age 40 born Middlesex, England silk weaver
Hunt Street, Mile End New Town Stepney
Hundred Ossulstone (Tower Division)Middlesex
Piece 711
Book 5
Folio 37
Page number 7
With
John Holloway 17
George Holloway 15
Mary Holloway 13
William Holloway 11
Jeremiah Holloway 8
Edward Holloway 2
Sarah Holloway 40
All born in county
I think this is them in 1851
5 Little George Street, Bethnal Green
John Holloway Age 52 dock labourer born Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Spouse Sarah Holloway age 51 born Bethnal Green
Children
Mary Holloway 22
William Holloway 19
Jeremiah Holloway 16
Edward Holloway 10
Charles Holloway 6
all born Bethnal Green
In 1861 John is once again shown as a silk weaver, but in both 1871 and 1881 he is shown as a dock labourer.
I believe that John Holloway was the son of Benjamin Holloway and Ann of New Inn Yard baptised 1 Jan 1800 at St Leonard's Shoreditch, born 5 Nov 1799.
This is where it gets tricky because there are two Benjamin Holloways born about the same time in the same area. One, a widower, married Ann Stevens on 28 Feb 1788 at St Dunstan and All Saints, witnesses James Brown and Samuel Mears? I believe this is our man. His first marriage was probably to Hannah Golding.
There are two possibilities for his parents John and Mildred Holloway who baptised a son Benjamin in 1757 or Jeremiah and Mary Holloway who also baptised a son Benjamin in 1757.
I am not sure who Sarah Field's parents are either.
The marriage cert shows Benjamin batchelor of full age, a cabinet maker. He is the son of John Holloway a foreman at the West India docks.
I haven't found Benjamin in the 1841 census but I think he the Benjamin shown in the London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1922 in 1840 son of John Holloway a weaver married to Sarah Field age 40 wife of 20 years as at last 14 Aug, married Stepney, no cert. Children Benjn age 19, John 17, George 15, Mary 13, Wm 9, Jeremiah 5, Edw 15 months.
The marriage record shows the marriage was by banns, witnesses Charles Ardonis and Mary Swan. Mary Holloway married Thomas Swan (widow) 17 Oct 1814 Christ Church, Spitalfields. Witness Benjamin Holloway.
I think this is the family minus Benjamin in 1841
John Holloway Age 40 born Middlesex, England silk weaver
Hunt Street, Mile End New Town Stepney
Hundred Ossulstone (Tower Division)Middlesex
Piece 711
Book 5
Folio 37
Page number 7
With
John Holloway 17
George Holloway 15
Mary Holloway 13
William Holloway 11
Jeremiah Holloway 8
Edward Holloway 2
Sarah Holloway 40
All born in county
I think this is them in 1851
5 Little George Street, Bethnal Green
John Holloway Age 52 dock labourer born Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Spouse Sarah Holloway age 51 born Bethnal Green
Children
Mary Holloway 22
William Holloway 19
Jeremiah Holloway 16
Edward Holloway 10
Charles Holloway 6
all born Bethnal Green
In 1861 John is once again shown as a silk weaver, but in both 1871 and 1881 he is shown as a dock labourer.
I believe that John Holloway was the son of Benjamin Holloway and Ann of New Inn Yard baptised 1 Jan 1800 at St Leonard's Shoreditch, born 5 Nov 1799.
This is where it gets tricky because there are two Benjamin Holloways born about the same time in the same area. One, a widower, married Ann Stevens on 28 Feb 1788 at St Dunstan and All Saints, witnesses James Brown and Samuel Mears? I believe this is our man. His first marriage was probably to Hannah Golding.
There are two possibilities for his parents John and Mildred Holloway who baptised a son Benjamin in 1757 or Jeremiah and Mary Holloway who also baptised a son Benjamin in 1757.
I am not sure who Sarah Field's parents are either.
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London and Middlesex / Re: Mary Ann Waddington/Warrington born c 1830 Marylebone still searching
« on: Thursday 10 April 25 16:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you, can I ask where you found that, it has evaded me.
I have also found the following workhouse admissions
Name Mary Ann Warrington
Admission Age 13
Discharge Age 13
Record Type Admission
Birth Date abt 1832
Admission Date 13 Jan 1845
Admission Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
Discharge Date 16 Jan 1845
Discharge Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
of 2 Kelsoe Place
Name Mary Ann Waddington
Admission Age 15
Admission Date 31 Jan 1846
Admission Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
of 17 Charles Street.
Mary Ann Waddington
Admission Age: 18
Record Type: Admission
Admission Date: 17 May 1848
Admission Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England
26 Harriette Street, destitute
Name Mary Ann Waddington
Admission Age 18
Discharge Age 18
Record Type Admission
Birth Date abt 1830
Admission Date 24 Jun 1848
Admission Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
Discharge Date 23 Sep 1848
Discharge Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
15 Devonshire Place
and this for 1841
Mary Warrington
AGE: 15
Hereford ? St Marylebone
PIECE: 677
BOOK: 3
FOLIO: 20
PAGE NUMBER: 35
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
Name Age
Richard Powis 30
John Warrington 25 publican
Margaret Warrington 25
Mary Warrington 15
Edward Wilson 2
Charlotte Sarford Nk
Joseph Wilson N K
Only Edward Wilson is shown as born in county
If her parents are Thomas and Sarah I have this:
Name Thomas Waddington batchelor
Marriage Date 14 Dec 1828
Marriage Place Saint Marylebone: Marylebone Road, Westminster, England by banns
Spouse Sarah Bailey spinster
Both otp in the presence of Elizabeth Bailey and ?
I have also found the following workhouse admissions
Name Mary Ann Warrington
Admission Age 13
Discharge Age 13
Record Type Admission
Birth Date abt 1832
Admission Date 13 Jan 1845
Admission Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
Discharge Date 16 Jan 1845
Discharge Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
of 2 Kelsoe Place
Name Mary Ann Waddington
Admission Age 15
Admission Date 31 Jan 1846
Admission Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
of 17 Charles Street.
Mary Ann Waddington
Admission Age: 18
Record Type: Admission
Admission Date: 17 May 1848
Admission Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England
26 Harriette Street, destitute
Name Mary Ann Waddington
Admission Age 18
Discharge Age 18
Record Type Admission
Birth Date abt 1830
Admission Date 24 Jun 1848
Admission Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
Discharge Date 23 Sep 1848
Discharge Place St Marylebone, Westminster, City of London, England
15 Devonshire Place
and this for 1841
Mary Warrington
AGE: 15
Hereford ? St Marylebone
PIECE: 677
BOOK: 3
FOLIO: 20
PAGE NUMBER: 35
HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS:
Name Age
Richard Powis 30
John Warrington 25 publican
Margaret Warrington 25
Mary Warrington 15
Edward Wilson 2
Charlotte Sarford Nk
Joseph Wilson N K
Only Edward Wilson is shown as born in county
If her parents are Thomas and Sarah I have this:
Name Thomas Waddington batchelor
Marriage Date 14 Dec 1828
Marriage Place Saint Marylebone: Marylebone Road, Westminster, England by banns
Spouse Sarah Bailey spinster
Both otp in the presence of Elizabeth Bailey and ?
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Canada / Re: Thomas Holloway born 1876 London, England emigrated to Toronto
« on: Thursday 10 April 25 10:52 BST (UK) »
That's a shame, I could have shared my tree and there are a number of public trees on there for the Holloways, most of which are, I think, fairly reliable!
Will post about the Holloways later, need to do a few other things now!
Will post about the Holloways later, need to do a few other things now!
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London and Middlesex / Mary Ann Waddington/Warrington born c 1830 Marylebone still searching
« on: Thursday 10 April 25 10:50 BST (UK) »
Mary Ann is a bit of a mystery. She married Benjamin Holloway
On the marriage certificate, 2 Sep 1850 at St Mary's Church, Paddington she is shown as Mary Ann Warrington daughter of Thomas Warrington, ropemaker. She is shown as a spinster and as a minor, i.e under 21. Abode, the same as Benjamin is North Wharf Road. She makes her mark so presumably cannot read or write.
On the birth certificates of the various children her maiden name is shown as both Waddington and Warrington
The children are:
John Edward born 1852
Sarah born 1859
Mary Ann Holloway born 1863
Alice Elizabeth born and died 1867
Benjamin Holloway born 1868
George Holloway born 1870
Emma Holloway born 1873
Thomas Holloway born 1876
Her date changes on the various census
1851 age 22 born Marylebone, London
1861 age 30 born Marylebone, London
1871 age 41 born Marylebone, London
1881 age 55 born Marylebone, London
I am not sure I have found her in 1891 and have not with any certainty found a death. There are rather a lot of Mary Ann Holloways!
This could be her in 1891
Name Mary A Holloway
Age 66
Head
Birth Place Walworth
Civil parish St Mary
Residence Place Rotherhithe, St Mary, London, England
Piece 387
Folio 144
Household members
Name Age
Mary A Holloway 66
Emma Holloway 18 daughter born Walworth
Thomas Holloway 15 son born Walworth
This could be her death
Mary Ann Holloway
Birth Year 1827
Admission Date 28 Jan 1880
Age 53
Hospital Brookwood Asylum
Hospital Place Woking, Surrey, England
Place of Abode 5 Marigold Street, Bermondsey
However, I am not convinced.
The witnesses to the marriage are William Maddox and Joanna Sullivan who both make their mark.
I have been unable to link the witnesses to the Holloway family or find William Maddox, the closest I have got is William Madden born 1833 Marylebone who appears with mother Mary Ann Madden in the 1851 census and probable parents Thomas and Mary Ann Madden in the 1841 census in Marylebone
This could be Joanna in the 1851 census
Johanna Sullivan
Age: 20
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Nk, Middlesex, England
Occupation: dressmaker
38 Foley Street, Marylebone
Household Schedule Number: 140
Piece: 1486
Folio: 461
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Caroline Walton age 30 - lodging house keeper born Surrey
Thomas Twigg 51
Caroline Twigg 13
Thomas Twigg 4 6 Mo
Margarett Reid 44
Margaret Magloughlin 30
Johanna Sullivan 20
Mary Ann Sullivan 18
1841 Grays Buildings, Marylebone, which I think may have been a workhouse
Johanna Sullivan age 10 born out of county
or
1841 Edwards Place Marylebone
Johanna Sullivan age 12 born Ireland with parents and various siblings.
1861 36 Upper William Street, Marylebone
Johanna Sullivan unmarried charwoman
Age 32
Relation Sister of Kate Sullivan age 39 and unmarried charwoman who does not appear on the 1841 census and has a son James age 3
Where born Cork, Ireland
Household schedule number 277
Piece 88
Folio 63
Page number 42
I have found a possible baptism
Mary Ann Warrington
Baptism Date 9 Dec 1816
Baptism Place St Leonard's, Shoreditch, Hackney, England
Father Thomas Warrington a coachman
Mother Sarah Warrington
Abode shown as Providence Row but I am not convinced this is the right one, I cannot find one in Marylebone with a father Thomas who is a ropemaker.
Any help to clarify Mary Ann Warringtons parents or anything else gratefully accepted.
On the marriage certificate, 2 Sep 1850 at St Mary's Church, Paddington she is shown as Mary Ann Warrington daughter of Thomas Warrington, ropemaker. She is shown as a spinster and as a minor, i.e under 21. Abode, the same as Benjamin is North Wharf Road. She makes her mark so presumably cannot read or write.
On the birth certificates of the various children her maiden name is shown as both Waddington and Warrington
The children are:
John Edward born 1852
Sarah born 1859
Mary Ann Holloway born 1863
Alice Elizabeth born and died 1867
Benjamin Holloway born 1868
George Holloway born 1870
Emma Holloway born 1873
Thomas Holloway born 1876
Her date changes on the various census
1851 age 22 born Marylebone, London
1861 age 30 born Marylebone, London
1871 age 41 born Marylebone, London
1881 age 55 born Marylebone, London
I am not sure I have found her in 1891 and have not with any certainty found a death. There are rather a lot of Mary Ann Holloways!
This could be her in 1891
Name Mary A Holloway
Age 66
Head
Birth Place Walworth
Civil parish St Mary
Residence Place Rotherhithe, St Mary, London, England
Piece 387
Folio 144
Household members
Name Age
Mary A Holloway 66
Emma Holloway 18 daughter born Walworth
Thomas Holloway 15 son born Walworth
This could be her death
Mary Ann Holloway
Birth Year 1827
Admission Date 28 Jan 1880
Age 53
Hospital Brookwood Asylum
Hospital Place Woking, Surrey, England
Place of Abode 5 Marigold Street, Bermondsey
However, I am not convinced.
The witnesses to the marriage are William Maddox and Joanna Sullivan who both make their mark.
I have been unable to link the witnesses to the Holloway family or find William Maddox, the closest I have got is William Madden born 1833 Marylebone who appears with mother Mary Ann Madden in the 1851 census and probable parents Thomas and Mary Ann Madden in the 1841 census in Marylebone
This could be Joanna in the 1851 census
Johanna Sullivan
Age: 20
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Nk, Middlesex, England
Occupation: dressmaker
38 Foley Street, Marylebone
Household Schedule Number: 140
Piece: 1486
Folio: 461
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Caroline Walton age 30 - lodging house keeper born Surrey
Thomas Twigg 51
Caroline Twigg 13
Thomas Twigg 4 6 Mo
Margarett Reid 44
Margaret Magloughlin 30
Johanna Sullivan 20
Mary Ann Sullivan 18
1841 Grays Buildings, Marylebone, which I think may have been a workhouse
Johanna Sullivan age 10 born out of county
or
1841 Edwards Place Marylebone
Johanna Sullivan age 12 born Ireland with parents and various siblings.
1861 36 Upper William Street, Marylebone
Johanna Sullivan unmarried charwoman
Age 32
Relation Sister of Kate Sullivan age 39 and unmarried charwoman who does not appear on the 1841 census and has a son James age 3
Where born Cork, Ireland
Household schedule number 277
Piece 88
Folio 63
Page number 42
I have found a possible baptism
Mary Ann Warrington
Baptism Date 9 Dec 1816
Baptism Place St Leonard's, Shoreditch, Hackney, England
Father Thomas Warrington a coachman
Mother Sarah Warrington
Abode shown as Providence Row but I am not convinced this is the right one, I cannot find one in Marylebone with a father Thomas who is a ropemaker.
Any help to clarify Mary Ann Warringtons parents or anything else gratefully accepted.
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Canada / Re: Thomas Holloway born 1876 London, England emigrated to Toronto
« on: Thursday 10 April 25 10:38 BST (UK) »
Thomas Holloway was the son of Benjamin Holloway and Mary Ann. Mary Ann is a bit of a mystery and I am going to do a separate post to ask for further info!
On the marriage certificate 2 Sep 1850 at St Mary's Church, Paddington she is shown as Mary Ann Warrington daughter of Thomas Warrington, ropemaker. She is shown as a spinster and as a minor, i.e under 21. Abode, the same as Benjamin is North Wharf Road. She makes her mark so presumably cannot read or write.
On the birth certificates of the various children her maiden name is shown as both Waddington and Warrington and her date changes on the various census
1851 age 22 born Marylebone, London
1861 age 30 born Marylebone, London
1871 age 41 born Marylebone, London
1881 age 55 born Marylebone, London
I am not sure I have found her in 1891 and have not with any certainty found a death. There are rather a lot of Mary Ann Holloways!
This could be her in 1891
Name Mary A Holloway
Age 66
Head
Birth Place Walworth
Civil parish St Mary
Residence Place Rotherhithe, St Mary, London, England
Piece 387
Folio 144
Household members
Name Age
Mary A Holloway 66
Emma Holloway 18 daughter born Walworth
Thomas Holloway 15 son born Walworth
This could be her death
Mary Ann Holloway
Birth Year 1827
Admission Date 28 Jan 1880
Age 53
Hospital Brookwood Asylum
Hospital Place Woking, Surrey, England
Place of Abode 5 Marigold Street, Bermondsey
However, I am not convinced.
The witnesses to the marriage are William Maddox and Joanna Sullivan who both make their mark.
I have been unable to link the witnesses to the Holloway family but this could be Joanna in the 1851 census
Johanna Sullivan
Age: 20
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Nk, Middlesex, England
Occupation: dressmaker
38 Foley Street, Marylebone
Household Schedule Number: 140
Piece: 1486
Folio: 461
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Caroline Walton age 30 - lodging house keeper born Surrey
Thomas Twigg 51
Caroline Twigg 13
Thomas Twigg 4 6 Mo
Margarett Reid 44
Margaret Magloughlin 30
Johanna Sullivan 20
Mary Ann Sullivan 18
1841 Grays Buildings, Marylebone, which I think may have been a workhouse
Johanna Sullivan age 10 born out of county
or
1841 Edwards Place Marylebone
Johanna Sullivan age 12 born Ireland with parents and various siblings.
1861 36 Upper William Street, Marylebone
Johanna Sullivan unmarried charwoman
Age 32
Relation Sister of Kate Sullivan age 39 and unmarried charwoman who does not appear on the 1841 census and has a son James age 3
Where born Cork, Ireland
Household schedule number 277
Piece 88
Folio 63
Page number 42
I have found a possible baptism
Mary Ann Warrington
Baptism Date 9 Dec 1816
Baptism Place St Leonard's, Shoreditch, Hackney, England
Father Thomas Warrington a coachman
Mother Sarah Warrington
Abode shown as Providence Row but I am not convinced this is the right one, I cannot find one in Marylebone with a father Thomas who is a ropemaker.
On the marriage certificate 2 Sep 1850 at St Mary's Church, Paddington she is shown as Mary Ann Warrington daughter of Thomas Warrington, ropemaker. She is shown as a spinster and as a minor, i.e under 21. Abode, the same as Benjamin is North Wharf Road. She makes her mark so presumably cannot read or write.
On the birth certificates of the various children her maiden name is shown as both Waddington and Warrington and her date changes on the various census
1851 age 22 born Marylebone, London
1861 age 30 born Marylebone, London
1871 age 41 born Marylebone, London
1881 age 55 born Marylebone, London
I am not sure I have found her in 1891 and have not with any certainty found a death. There are rather a lot of Mary Ann Holloways!
This could be her in 1891
Name Mary A Holloway
Age 66
Head
Birth Place Walworth
Civil parish St Mary
Residence Place Rotherhithe, St Mary, London, England
Piece 387
Folio 144
Household members
Name Age
Mary A Holloway 66
Emma Holloway 18 daughter born Walworth
Thomas Holloway 15 son born Walworth
This could be her death
Mary Ann Holloway
Birth Year 1827
Admission Date 28 Jan 1880
Age 53
Hospital Brookwood Asylum
Hospital Place Woking, Surrey, England
Place of Abode 5 Marigold Street, Bermondsey
However, I am not convinced.
The witnesses to the marriage are William Maddox and Joanna Sullivan who both make their mark.
I have been unable to link the witnesses to the Holloway family but this could be Joanna in the 1851 census
Johanna Sullivan
Age: 20
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Nk, Middlesex, England
Occupation: dressmaker
38 Foley Street, Marylebone
Household Schedule Number: 140
Piece: 1486
Folio: 461
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Caroline Walton age 30 - lodging house keeper born Surrey
Thomas Twigg 51
Caroline Twigg 13
Thomas Twigg 4 6 Mo
Margarett Reid 44
Margaret Magloughlin 30
Johanna Sullivan 20
Mary Ann Sullivan 18
1841 Grays Buildings, Marylebone, which I think may have been a workhouse
Johanna Sullivan age 10 born out of county
or
1841 Edwards Place Marylebone
Johanna Sullivan age 12 born Ireland with parents and various siblings.
1861 36 Upper William Street, Marylebone
Johanna Sullivan unmarried charwoman
Age 32
Relation Sister of Kate Sullivan age 39 and unmarried charwoman who does not appear on the 1841 census and has a son James age 3
Where born Cork, Ireland
Household schedule number 277
Piece 88
Folio 63
Page number 42
I have found a possible baptism
Mary Ann Warrington
Baptism Date 9 Dec 1816
Baptism Place St Leonard's, Shoreditch, Hackney, England
Father Thomas Warrington a coachman
Mother Sarah Warrington
Abode shown as Providence Row but I am not convinced this is the right one, I cannot find one in Marylebone with a father Thomas who is a ropemaker.
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Canada / Re: Thomas Holloway born 1876 London, England emigrated to Toronto
« on: Thursday 10 April 25 09:48 BST (UK) »
One more post and you will be able to reply to PMs!
Are you on Ancestry?
According to my research Thomas Holloway and his family, including Ivy arrived in Toronto in 1914. I have assumed that she met John Malcolm Moffat in Canada, I don't have a record of their marriage - I have found Canadian research tricky
Gill
Are you on Ancestry?
According to my research Thomas Holloway and his family, including Ivy arrived in Toronto in 1914. I have assumed that she met John Malcolm Moffat in Canada, I don't have a record of their marriage - I have found Canadian research tricky
Gill
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Canada / Re: Thomas Holloway born 1876 London, England emigrated to Toronto
« on: Tuesday 08 April 25 11:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Jocelyn,
I will pm you. However, I think you may have to make a couple more posts before you can reply.
I think we are 3rd cousins. I have lots of information about the family of Ivy Miriam Holloway.
Gill
I will pm you. However, I think you may have to make a couple more posts before you can reply.
I think we are 3rd cousins. I have lots of information about the family of Ivy Miriam Holloway.
Gill
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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Going round in circles, John Chapman + son Alfred Haddenham, Bucks to Islington
« on: Sunday 06 April 25 10:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for all the help, sympathy with my confusion and confirmation of my findings.
Good thought re. Elizabeth being Charlotte's mother will investigate further. She certainly seems a little confused as to place of birth - so far I have Hertfordshire and Clerkenwell so Cheshire?
Gill
Good thought re. Elizabeth being Charlotte's mother will investigate further. She certainly seems a little confused as to place of birth - so far I have Hertfordshire and Clerkenwell so Cheshire?
Gill