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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Albert STOKES - Sutton Coldfield
« on: Thursday 03 October 24 23:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello. I have just come across this message. I am the daughter of Duncan John  Stokes,known as Jack, . My dad's mum was Madeley Stuffing.  Marbella was separated from her husband Albert . My dad had four brothers. Bert George Ronnie and Ken and a sister Betty. ...Do you think this is the same family you are seeking. What other clues do you have.
Oh yes, absolutely! My dad (Bert) always spoke fondly of Jack. I had forgotten there was a sister, Betty, but yes he mentioned her from time to time. So after splitting with Millie, Bert married again and had 4 sons (of which I'm the youngest). We never knew anything about our half sisters or that he'd been previously married. This I only discovered in recent years.

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Albert STOKES - Sutton Coldfield
« on: Sunday 13 November 11 06:08 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, I'm still following this thread and would be interested in any details you may have.

Thanks!

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Thanks Pinetree.

Albert E should have been around 15/16yrs old in 1911; does the 1911 census record you have give the age of the 'warehouseman'?


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More great work Suz.

My own amateur searches suggest Albert E's father was Thomas Edward Stokes (b.1831)  and mother Selina Guest (b.1870) , and that Albert E was born sometime 1894/5, but I don't know the place.

There doesn't seem to be anyone on the 1911 census for the Aston area that would fit his age. Of course, it is possible that he was born in London or somewhere else if, as I understand, the family were moneyed and had more than one residence.

If these 'facts' are correct they make interesting reading: Thomas was already an elderly man by the time he married young Selina...if the family were well to-do, I wonder how Albert E's marriage to a Maltster's daughter went down?! Of course, I could be barking up the wrong tree, and am getting slightly off my original purpose, but fascinating stuff!

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Albert STOKES - Sutton Coldfield
« on: Saturday 29 May 10 19:39 BST (UK)  »
I think you've got Mabel pinned - but Albert E is a bit of an engima.

d.o.b. looks like 1895, but neither the d. 1944 (age 65) nor 1950 (age 52) would fit that d.o.b (nor would the 1967 one, at age 78!). 

???


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World War Two / Flight Sergeant on a Wellington Bomber
« on: Saturday 29 May 10 15:54 BST (UK)  »
I'm trying to find out any details of the military service of Flight Sergeant Albert Thomas Armstrong Stokes, enlisted 1939, discharged from service 1941 or 42.

Medals: The 1939-45 Star, The Atlantic Star, Defence Medal, War Medal, King's Badge.

This may nor may not be his service no: 956161 T/SGT

Fragments of anecdotes I can recall:
Albert had taken flying lessons shortly before before WWII broke out, and enlisted in the RAF at age 19 or so, serving as a Flight Sergeant until being injured out sometime in 1942 or earlier. I believe he flew or trained in Fairy Battles and then mostly Wellington bombers. He was involved in two crashes twice, one in France and one in Northumberland; I think both were Wellington's.

The crash in France left Albert and his crew not far from the coast. The story (half told, half remembered), was that they made it to the beach on foot after making radio contact with a British vessel. The captain (an Irishman, not certain of the name, possibly Patrick Kelly), went down to the beach to ask a French fisherman to take them out to sea to the waiting British vessel, but the fisherman called out to the German guards patrolling on the cliff tops. The captain shot the fisherman with his Webley service revolver, and the rest of the crew rushed out of cover and got in the boat. Amazingly, they got away without harm.

The second crash landing in Northumberland ended Albert's military service, as he was injured with shrapnel close to the spine. The only other information I have about this period of his life was that the Irish captain and Albert were the only two servicemen in the squadron from those that had enlisted in 1939 who survived the war. Tragically, shortly after de-mob, Kelly (if that was his name) was apparently killed in a traffic accident (vague details of being knocked down by a bus possibly on the Tottenham Court Road? in 1945).

If anyone can add to the fragments of this story with their own I'd love to hear from you. I particularly would like to find out the squadron number, and the names of the other members of Albert's crew, especially the captain.

A long shot, but thanks in advance.

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Albert STOKES - Sutton Coldfield
« on: Saturday 29 May 10 15:08 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again for your help!

 :)

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Albert STOKES - Sutton Coldfield
« on: Saturday 29 May 10 14:46 BST (UK)  »
the 1944 death reg. would fit the jigsaw puzzle perfectly.

As I recall, Albert TA was in convalescence for some years after being injured out of the war, and the family thought he'd died (why there was no contact is a mystery I haven't even begun to address). At any rate, when Albert finally showed up he learned his father had passed away, and then disputes over the estate, which had apparently been settled, began.

I guess I really need the cert's to be sure about the mother and father names.

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Albert STOKES - Sutton Coldfield
« on: Saturday 29 May 10 14:32 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Suz, personal recollection suggests Albert TA's father should have passed away long before 1967, as it was over his estate that Albert and George had some falling out over ('bout as much as I should say I guess). However, the timing of that I'm not sure, but my impression was that it was sometime in the period between the end of the war and Albert T A's marriage in the 50s.

A genuine surprise if Mabel Stokes (nee Stuffins) died as recently as 1980 - will take your advice about looking into key certificates.

 :)

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