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Dumfriesshire / Re: Taylor Canonbie
« on: Monday 11 March 19 06:32 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks so much, Judy.
The Taylors connect with Armstrongs at various generations in Canonby.
I do hope that your details will help someone find their ancestor.
John

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Taylor Canonbie
« on: Sunday 10 March 19 04:05 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Judy!
We have some indirect links, since my GGGrandfather's brother Francis Armstrong married into the Jockhill Taylors. His wife was Helen (1800-1877), do James and Jennet.
I am aware the your Eleanor/Helen had 3 daughters, including Isabel, but also a couple more kids.
And that Isabel who married John Armstrong  Priorhill, Canonbie had 6 children, whose names you likely know. Could you fill in the blanks?
John

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Taylor Canonbie
« on: Tuesday 19 December 17 17:18 GMT (UK)  »
Excellent detective work Kuren!
So now we have Jessie born Janet married George Annand who emigrated to Australia, and Janet born Jessie who married John Mingins!

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Taylor Canonbie
« on: Thursday 19 May 16 07:26 BST (UK)  »
No problem.
I found George Annand in the Censuses of both 1851 and 1841, in Parish of Strachur. He listed as a 32 year old unmarried Gardner living at Strachur Park in 1851. This was Lord Murray's estate. His place of birth is given as Bonhill [parish], Dumbarton, which is very near Glasgow.
His age is listed as 20 in the 1841 census, but ages were often rounded on that census.
I have not been able to locate Jessie Armstrong on the 1851 Census anywhere in Scotland. Perhaps she was in England, but not living with her parents.

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Taylor Canonbie
« on: Wednesday 18 May 16 07:57 BST (UK)  »
Leesa,
SP has sent me the correct page re marriage of your ancestors.
The entry for August 13, 1852 states:
"George Annand (lately overseer to Lord Murry) and
Jessie Armstrong, both in this Parish.
One Day"

A little further research reveals that this was Sir John Archibald Murray, Lord Murray (1779-1859), who was appointed to be a judge, a permanent of the Lords Ordinary in the Court of Session, in 1839. If you Google him you will find a picture in the National Portrait Gallery and entries in Wikipedia and other places. He lived in Edinburgh, but had a country residence at Strachur on Loch Fyne, which might have been overseen by your ancestor.
Further reference to the latter possibility may be found at this link, which is a discussion related to a posting, apparently by one of your relatives:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.britain/7KzWgXd-K4E

The Campbell Clan at one time had an estate, which is also mentioned above, at a place only 8 miles from Strachur, called Ardkinglas - ie. Sir James Campbell, 2nd Baronet of Ardkinglass, (c.1666 – 5 July 1752) who was a British Member of Parliament and the son of Sir Colin Campbell, 1st Baronet, of Ardkinglass. This line seems to have died out, but the estate was later acquired by the Callander family, one of whom married a brother of the 9th Duke of Argyll. George Annand is mentioned in the link above as having been at that estate. Perhaps some census data will further clarify things about his ancestry.
Hope this helps
John

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Taylor Canonbie
« on: Sunday 15 May 16 23:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi Leesa,
Thanks for that.
I can see their marriage listed in Scotland's People, but they sent me to the wrong referenced image page from the OPR. I have asked them to correct this. Do you have a marriage certificate or other source?

My previous post forgot to give the source as the 1851 Census for:
Abel Armstrong, 53, widower, born in Scotland, occupation Butcher, is listed as living on Swan Street in Longtown, Arthuret, with 2 children:
William 24, infirm, and Jannet 22, both unmarried.
It looks like Jessie had left home by then.

TB was rampant in those days. It is certainly possible that Isabella died from that, but perhaps further information will come to light. I have not researched her death certificate.

John

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Taylor Canonbie
« on: Sunday 15 May 16 20:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi Leesa,
Jessie's birth is listed in the Canonbie OPR:
Jessie daughter of Abel Armstrong flesher [butcher] Priorslynn and Isabella Armstrong his spouse born 12th May and baptized 17th June 1827

Isabella Taylor married Abel Armstrong at Jock's Hill, Canonbie on June 28, 1822 (Canonbie OPR)

Isabella died in 1845 at Westlinton (3 miles s of Longtown) on the 10th August 1845, according to the Carlisle Patriot.
Abel Armstrong, 53, widower, born in Scotland, occupation Butcher, is listed as living on Swan Street in Longtown, Arthuret, with 2 children:
William 24, infirm, and Jannet 22, both unmarried.

Do you have any details of the marriage of Jessie and George Annand?

Kind Regards
John

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Mounsey/Armstrong
« on: Sunday 10 November 13 07:55 GMT (UK)  »
Their marriage is not listed in Scotlands People, so they were possibly married in England.
The OPR normally lists mother's maiden name rather than married name, which is very helpful.
If a child is born out of wedlock, it is called 'natural' son or daughter, with very often both parents listed.

On the night of June 6,1841, listed as living at Blaecraiggs 2 in the Parish of Canonbie Census:
Margaret Mouncy, aged 5
Ann Armstrong, no occupation, aged 30, who must be Ann's mother
Jane Armstrong, agricultural labourer, aged 40
James Armstrong, agricultural labourer, aged 80
Note that the census enumerators were instructed to round down ages to the nearest five on the 1841 Census for anyone over the age of 15.
The above gives us a clue to Ann's family. It would seem likely that Ann was looking after her aging father, who appears to have been widowed, while Lancelot might have had to seek work elsewhere.

I looked for Ann's birth elsewhere in Scotland than Canonbie, as she is not listed in the OPR there. I found an Ann Armstrong born 27 Oct 1808, chr 6 Nov 1808 Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland, daughter of James Armstrong and Mary Clemison. This is the only one listed with a father named James.
However, given the above listed age, if accurate, Ann may have been born in 1806 to as early as 1801. Not all births were listed in the OPR, of course. And she could have been born in England.

Hope this helps a little bit.

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Dumfriesshire / Re: Taylor Canonbie
« on: Sunday 06 January 13 21:29 GMT (UK)  »
Re Armstrongs:

Francis Armstrong (b. 05/01/1802 Mosside, Canonbie, d. 1838 Jockshill, Canonbie) 
m. Helen Taylor (b.ca. 1804 re age 37 on 1841 Census) do James Taylor in Jockshill (see above)
They had:
James b. 1834
Janet b. 1837

Abel Armstrong, flesher/butcher (b. ca. 1797, born in Scotland, lineage uncertain, d. 1867 Longtown)
m. Isobel Taylor (b. 1797, d. 1845 Longtown)
daugh of James Taylor in Jockshill (see above), sister of Helen (above)
They had:
Francis b. 1823 Woodslee Canonbie
William b. 1825 Forgebraehead Canonbie
Jessie b. 1827 Priorslynn Canonbie
Helen b. 1830 Woodhouse[lees]
Beatrix b. 1832 Scotsdyke Tollbar Canonbie
Elizabeth b. 1834 Scotch Dyke Canonbie

[dates from Canonbie OPR unless otherwise noted]

John

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