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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Probate clause - 16th cent.
« on: Thursday 24 February 22 22:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Bookbox, that's really helpful. Especially the proper names in the second record. It's quite probable we mis-read the executors' names in the will itself, so we'll need to go back and look and look at them again carefully.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Probate clause - 16th cent.
« on: Thursday 24 February 22 21:38 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you so much Horselydown86 and Bookbox for your help. I'm astonished at your skills.
So it seems I now have the complete words for both texts - except just one in the probate record: it's the penultimate word in the 4th line, between Norvice(nsis) and before xvijo. Could you possibly help me with that?
btw the 2nd word in the 2nd line of the inventory record looks like Anger, surname of the 1st executor, rather than armiger, and I think the 4th word is  Frances/Francis.
Thanks again.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Probate clause - 16th cent.
« on: Thursday 24 February 22 12:15 GMT (UK)  »
Please can anyone help me with two 16th cent. Norwich probate clauses? Images attached. Problem is not so much the Latin, dimly remembered from schooldays 50+ years ago, but the script and those *** abbreviations.
Testator: Thomas Buttes
Date of will: 22 May 1592
Executors: Frances Astely, Richard Anger, Henry Shelton
Chancellor of Norwich: Robert Redmayne (1551-1625), Ll.D.

For the first one, what I read is something like:
Probatum fuit huiusmodi testamentum apud
Norvicum coram venerabili viro domino Roberto
Redmayno legum doctore officiali principali
Armig A**** Cancellario? Norvici C**** quinto?
die mensis Februarij Anno Domini millesimo? envs*** [et]
et Domantavonem Calendario? Anglicano millesimo? quingentesimo? [no]
nonagesimo Peermdo DormiNaos? fuit administratio bonorum
executoribus in dicto testamento nominatis in debita
juris forma juratis.

Which I understand as:
Proved was aforesaid testament at Norwich before venerable man lord Robert Redmayne of-laws doctor official principal esquire ... Chancellor of-Norwich court fifth day month February year of-our-Lord thousandth ... and ... calendar English thousandth five-hundredth ninetieth ... ...  was administration of-goods to-executors in said testament named in due of-law form sworn

But the second text almost completely defeats me. All I can make out is the name of the testator, Buttes, and some months and years.

If possible I need the full Latin texts. Any help greatly appreciated.


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The Common Room / Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« on: Saturday 22 May 10 14:02 BST (UK)  »
Good morning all,
I just joined RootsChat so I'm green as green about the site & how it works.
Anyhow ... here we go.
As far as I know the Tathams on the Saxonlodge website (that's us) have zero connection with the Dunbar/Gordon lot. Not since 17th century anyhow.
Our keywords would be things like: Durham, lawyers, Highgate, South Africa.
Theirs would be: Yorkshire, doctors, Poplar, Australia.
Looks like you could also add the word "interesting" to them, perhaps less so to us.
Even so, I'd be v. interested in swapping data with anyone with relatives on the saxonlodge tree.
Robert

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