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Australia / Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« on: Wednesday 29 June 11 06:00 BST (UK)  »
Lowthian   Margaret Thompson   70   1915

entry on Eucha Cemetery Records for her burial.

Dalton   Alice Marion   32   1912

burial record at Eucha Cemetery

chrissy

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Australia / Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« on: Wednesday 29 June 11 05:55 BST (UK)  »
27.10.1953 in the Argus ...this would appear to be the son of your William John Lowthian also known as William John.

''Barham man dies at bowls Barham, Monday.
Mr. William John Lowthian, retired Koondrook business man, collapsed and died yesterday afternoon.
He was playing bowls at Barham bowling green.
He formerly conducted a bakery business. He is survived by a widow, a daughter and two sons.

chrissy

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Australia / Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« on: Wednesday 29 June 11 05:53 BST (UK)  »
Lowthian

also found this death notice as well which would appear to be the son of your man..its for his wifes death but look at the cousin names they are 'daltons' ..it seems to link

''''LOWTHIAN -On the 31st December 1925 (suddenly)   at Koondrook, Valma May, dearly loved second
daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W. J. Lowthian, darling sister of Una, Jack, and Ray), aged 6 years and 11 months.
The family chain broken

LOWTHIAN -On the 31st December, at her parents home, Koondrook, Valma May, dearly  loved cousin of Ella (Mrs. P.S. Wales), Ivy,  Maggie and Mena Dalton.

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Australia / Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« on: Wednesday 29 June 11 05:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Found this article in the newspaper which would fit the person you are looking for perhaps...he died in 1904 and was aged 69 (c1834)  would then be his birth date.

SUDDEN DEATHS. (The Argus Newspaper Melbourne - Thursday 3.11.1904)
KYNETON VICTORIA - On Tuesdav night an old age pensioner named William John Lowthian aged 69 living in Baldwin street Kjneton died some what suddeny. He had been seen by a neighbour outside in his yard  shortly after 5pm but  at 9pm his daughter Mrs Alice Dalton found him 'dead sitting in his chair with his head resting on the table. He had a slice of bread and butter in front of him and had evidently been in the act of making his tea when he expired.  He had been attended for heart disease and dropsy. The police reported these facts to Mr M. K. Armstrong J.P. who thought it unnecessary to hold a magistrial enquiry as their were no suspicious circumstances and Dr Ryan was prepared to give a certificate as to the cause of death.'

Hope this helps.
My suggestion would be to right to Old Melbourne Cemetery asking the following

1.  Look for variations of the surname spelling (my children went to school with a family but they spelt their name Lothian ) ..maybe its worth a try to try that spelling
2.  Any paupers buried around the date of the article..people in those days were buried within 2 days
3.  Do a search on his daughter Mrs Alice Dalton for her death or on the person who furnished the details to the cemetery (I have done this)
4.  Request a death certificate copy form Births Deaths and Marriages in Melbourne Victoria.  I think they cost around 25.00 australian.

I also found this death notice in the Argus on 21. Apri 1915

LOWTHIAN
LOWTHIAN. - On the 20th April, at 55 Lock street, Coburg, Margaret Thompson, relict of the late
Wm. Lowthian, of Kyneton, and mother of the late Mrs. Dalton, Cohuna, Mrs. C. Goodridge,
Castlemaine; W. J. Lowthian, Koondrook; in her 69th year. Kyneton papers please copy. 
 

and the funeral notice

FUNERAL NOTICES.
LOWTHIAN.-Friends of the late Mrs. MARGARET THOMPSON   LOWTHIAN are respectfully informed that her remains will be interred in the Echuca Cemetery THIS DAY (Wednesday, 21st April, 1915), on arrival of the 6.40 a.m. train from Melbourne.       

Hope this helps a bit .

could be your Lowthian descendent.


cheers

chrissy

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Australia / Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« on: Saturday 12 March 11 02:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Cando and Thornett.

That was an interesting read on the site you gave about the carpark....be interested to here the outcome in due course.

chrissy

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Australia / Re: Old Melbourne Cemetery - Pauper's graves
« on: Friday 11 March 11 23:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hi next time I am at our library I will look up the indexes for you.
meanwhile thought I would give some info on Old Melb Cemetery and its replacement

Many people assume the first cemetery in Melbourne was the Old Melbourne Cemetery, whereas in fact it was Burial Hill, today's Flagstaff Gardens.

Willie, the child of James Goodman was the first person to buried in Melbourne, Port Phillip District. He was buried on 13th May 1836 at Burial Hill. This site was only used for about 6 burials.

It is not possible to visit the Old Melbourne Cemetery either, because it is located UNDER the present day Queen Victoria Market.

Bounded by Queen Street to the east, Peel Street to the west, Franklin Street to the south, and Fulton Street (which no longer exists) to the north, the Old Melbourne Cemetery was established in 1837 in West Melbourne. The first person to be buried on this site was also a child. He was Frederick William Craig, the infant son of Skene Craig. As Melbourne grew, this site was recognised as being too small and the Melbourne General Cemetery (or new Cemetery), that we know today, in Carlton, was established by an act of the New South Wales parliament in 1850 and was opened on 1st June 1853.

The Old Melbourne Cemetery was divided into areas according to religious denominations. Two acres each were given to the Church of England, Presbyterians, Roman Catholics and one acre each was given to the Jews, Quakers, Methodists and Independents. Later, half of the Quaker area was given to the Aborigines. The history of the Old Melbourne Cemetery ties in with that of the Queen Victoria Market, which was adjacent to it, and when the latter first expanded in 1878, it was the Quaker/Aborigine area near Fulton Street which it acquired first. A Crown grant was passed providing land for a general market on 4th March 1867. Today's meat hall dates back to 1869. The next 2 grants that provided more land for the market, were dated 1878 and 1880 (see Queen Victoria Market Lands Act 1996 - Act No. 78/1996 at www.dms.dpc.vic.gov.au), and in the 1880's legislation was passed requiring all bodies in the Old Cemetery to be exhumed.

Identification of the burial plots was made difficult because the register of burials prior to 1866 was lost or destroyed. Many graves were unmarked. Others had 'headstones' of red gum, which had weathered away. From 1920-22, 914 graves with identifying monuments were re-interred at Fawkner, Kew, St. Kilda, Cheltenham and the Melbourne General Cemetery. Many of the headstones crumbled when shifted. At this stage, the cemetery was in a terrible state of neglect, with very long grass. The cemetery had been closed in 1854, re-opened in 1864 for the sale of new plots, re-closed in 1867, with the final burial taking place in 1917. It was closed permanently in 1922.

As there were about 10,000 burials on the site, there still remain approximately 9,000 people buried under the sheds and car park of the Queen Victoria Market. Every time work is carried out at the market, bones are disturbed. A memorial to these people stands on the corner of Queen Street and Therry Street. In 1996, the previous Crown grants were revoked and the Queen Victoria Market Lands Act 1996 came into being.

There are several books of interest to be found on the Old Melbourne Cemetery. Marjorie Morgan's own book, "The Old Melbourne Cemetery 1837 - 1922" published by the Australian Institute of Genealogical Studies in 1982, has names of people buried there. These came from transcriptions of legible headstones made by G. P. Townend in 1913-14. As a gentleman in the late 60's he saw the importance of making a record of these markers.

Isaac Selby wrote a book called "Old Pioneers Memorial History of Melbourne" in 1924, whilst the Royal Historical Society of Victoria's Historical Magazine, Volume 9, No. 1, pages 40-47 has an article on the cemetery. Another book, "Melbourne Markets 1841-1979, the story of the fruit and vegetable markets in the City of Melbourne" (Footscray, 1980), edited by Colin E. Cole has material on Melbourne markets.

Hope this helps a little

If i find anything I will let you know


cheers

chrissy

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Somerset / Re: POW Surname look up please
« on: Thursday 10 March 11 21:02 GMT (UK)  »
I have posted an extensive amount onthis site on William Pow who came to Tasmania.

If you would like more info please let me know your email address.

chrissy

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Somerset / Re: POW Surname look up please
« on: Thursday 10 March 11 06:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
be happy to help-
this is the convict entry on tas archives -    Pow   William            08 Jan 1846   Mayda   29 Aug 1845   Woolwich   Off Norfolk Island per Pestongee Bomangee May 1847

Look up convict record  CO 17/1/2 Page 174 says
Pow, William - single - 5'101/4 - age 33 - occ Farm Labourer - Status married - Religion - C of E - Neither read or write - Relatives where last residing....(M) Mary, (F) William, (M) Eliza, (B) James (S) Elizabeth, Martha, Eliza

offence - Stealing a woollen hurdle property of Mr Nash
Sentenced to transportation for life for Horse Stealing and got off with 9 years and transported.

POW William (Mayda)
Mayda had one voyage only as a convict ship departing Woolwich on 29.8.1845 arriving Norfolk Island 8.1.1846
Total number landed 195 (4 died onboard)

From September 1844 until 1856, when it closed as a penal settlement, Norfolk Island was under the jurisdiction of the Tasmanian Government, and was staffed by the Tasmanian Convict Department. Throughout this period, male convicts were being transferred from there to Tasmania, as a result of their sentences there having expired; some had been sent there from Tasmania, others had been sent direct from Great Britain.

His conduct record has the following additional infomation

Came out on Mayda departed 29.8.1845  arrived Norfolk island 8.1.1846
To Tasmania on Perstongee Bomangee arrived 19.5.1847
Native place ? Bristol (couldnt read first part of place )
Tried at Wills Sessions 25.3.1845
Applied to marry Nappy King also a convict per Australasia on 19.7.1853

On application in the gazette it reads William Pow and Nappy King  gazetted 20.7.1853 and recommended 27.7.1853

1858 William Pow owner in fee of land (10 acres) at Gawler River East, resident at Alfred H. Poole's house, Gawler River

I had a look in my Norfok Island 1798 to 1813 book but it doesnt go up to 1853 next time i am at the library I will see if there is a sequel to it .


19 July 1853- Application for permission to marry Nappy King (ex Australasia) withdrawn 20 July, -withdrawn 11 January 1854, cancelled (approved 27 July) c1853- formed a de facto relationship with William Pow

eventually married 18.8.1868
All Saints church of england Forth Tasmania witnesses Ellen A Browne ande Maria Templar (licence granted 17.August).

My family line comes into when their son Percival Powe married Charlotte Stone in 1874
Charlotte Stone was the daughter of John Stone and Jane Morris.  Jane Morris was also a convict .  Jane had previously been married to Stephen Radfor din 1840 ...She married John Stone in 1853 sometime after Stephen went to the Mainland possibly Geelong with his son and never returned.

If you need any more help let me know

chrissy




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Hi Monica

Just found some notes in an email sent to me from another root chatter years ago

1851 census of Blairs Land Coalsnaughton

Isabella..age 17...yarn winder..born Dundee
Cecilia...age 15...wool pletter..born Dundee
William....age 15...Wool Spinner......born Dundee
Agnes...age 13..Wool Piecer...Born Dundee
Mary...age 11...born Dunblane

(the Catherine Hanson who appeared in the 1841 census may have married Hugh Livingston as she lives next door)

Isabella Hanson in 1853 married William Hunter in Clackmannon he occupation was given as Coal Miner and hers as a Yarn Winder

As you can see from that proposed entry given to me...Anne and Robert are not on it .

Anne married Edward Murray in 1848 in tillicoultry and immigrated in August of 1852 to Australia

Robert married Jane Nicholson in 1852 in Dunblane and 3 weeks later immigrated to Australia .

In 1851 as mentioned before Anne was living at 13 Stevenson Street Renfrewshire and the mother was with her .

regards

chrissy




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