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Hi Valda'

I went back to some of the things i have collected off the net and i found a copy i had of the marriage between Jemima Jarrold and Henry Riches which is signed by Richard Stone !! The same one you have found, so at least i know i may be on the right path. 

So....Wiilliam and Jemima are Jonna's parents ?? And, David is her brother Who is the Hannah ?? Could she be Jonna's sister, maybe twin ?? I have Jonna as being born 1819. I am frantically looking through all of my stuff because i am sure i have something that says Jonna's birthdate as 1st June 1819, same as Hannah !! We know that Hannah can't be Jonna, because you found a death date for Hannah at age 13, 1832. Interesting.

Sandra 


 

Hope i am not asking too much, especially after all the juicy information you have all uncovered for me but....... would anyone be willing to help me find who Jonna's parents and grandparents were ??

I found something but think it may be wrong.

A William Jarrold (Jarrol) married Jemima Bridge 10th April 1810. Withersdale? Suffolk.
This info was what i found on ancestry.com.

I know Jonna's father was William but not sure if this marriage applies to my side of the family, although i think i remember seeing somewhere that Jonna's mothers name was Gemima (with a 'G' ).
 
I think Jonna had a sister named Jemima but not positive. I have no idea who Jonna's Grandparents are and aren't sure where to look or how to connect it all. It all gets a bit too confusing for me !! 

Hope you can help 
Thanks
Sandra 
 

Hi Cando,

You were right. Emily married in 1862 not 63 as i had put!! ooops !!

I've had another look at the marriage cert of Emily and Henry and there is a no "X" next to Jonna's signature. The writing of her signature is different to all the rest on the cert. it is quite large writing and and stretches from one end of the space to the other, wheres Richards is quite tidy and fluid.

Why she signed it with her maiden name is puzzling tho. Maybe she and Richard seperated !!?? And maybe the daughter that she had in 1863 that Logan found is not Richards and maybe thats why he left with Henry !!!? Am i just clutching at straws now hahahaha  

Sandra

Hi Valda.

Thanks for that info. I only had Richard's fathers name not his mother and i had no idea if he had siblings but it looks like you found it !! And....a half sibling !!! Sordid stuff !!     Fantastic !!

As for the 'oilman' occupation for Richard, that made me giggle. Family has told me that his family was quite 'well to do' but Richard was a 'waster' but pretended to be upper crust and often told fibs about what his profession was. 'Oilman' is a new one i can add to his list !!!  

Cheers
Sandra  

Hi Cando,

Sorry, could be my mistake about Mrs Geyer. I know i went to a site that had something to do with Inglewood cemetery, or possibly Ballarat/Bendigo and i think i then clicked on a few links (one of thousands over the years !!) and that is where i found whoever it was i e-mailed, who said they couldn't help me. I remember thinking at the time, "gee, that was a bit blase' of them !" and was very disheartened and perplexed. My apologies to Mrs Geyer. I just looked through ALL my e-mails i have saved for anything to do with my ancestry and couldn't locate the e-mail i sent, so i probably deleted it after they? offered no help.

I am more than happy to answer any of your questions, in fact i think it's great !!    I have searced everywhere for a death or birth/baptism (b. 1819 Halston, Suffolk England) certificate on Johannah or Charlotte or any of the family for that matter and can't find anything !! >:  The Professional Genealogist that my Uncle hired did actually go to the Parishes etc. My Uncle lived and died in Malta and as to where the original book that the Genealogist did is.... i have no idea. The 'paperwork' i refered to is a one page copy of one page from the book. So i know that is definitely correct.

The Alfred that you found is not my Alfred (b.c 1851, Middlesex, Finsbury England. Christened,10 April 1851 St Andrew, Holborn. England). He apparently died at age 19 in a mining accident at the "Sir Willian Don" mine, Victoria, although that could have been their other son Henry ( b. 1845 or 1849 Surry, Lambeth England). I have a certified copy of Johannah and Richards original marriage certificate which i just received from England last week. I also have a original copy of a  1851 England Census of the whole family. I have a copy of the original marriage certificate of Johannah and Richards daughter, Emily Alice (b.1846. d.1925) to Henry Richard Manning (b.1837 d.1890) in Victoria 1863, which Johannah and Richard have signed as witnesses, (although Johannah signed with an "X" and under the name 'Jonna Jarrold ??) All the family called her Jonna, but what is unusual is that she was married to Richard so should have been a 'Stone' but signed it with her maiden name 'Jarrold' ? Very odd !!! I also have a copy of an original "Order of the Black Knights of Ireland", which is Emily's husbands, Henry Manning, which is in Victoria, ( a lodge thing i think ). I am very confindent that Jonna, Alfred, Harry, Emily and Charlotte all died in Victoria.

WOW....sorry, i hope i haven't overwhelmed you with all the information. It just seems that i have a bundle full of info on all of them (apart from Jonna's birth cert. which i DESPERATELY want) from England but once they arrived in Australia (1855) there seems to be almost nothing !!! Very very wierd. I think she may have been trying to hide from Richard.

Looking forward to hearing from you and once again thank you so much for your help and guidance. 

Sandra