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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Monday 19 March 12 09:08 GMT (UK)  »
That's really great Ken, thank you so much.  As I said earlier always good to get another piece of the puzzle.  I guess times weren't so good for Malachi in Australia.

I can't thank you enough for your help.

Regards
Maggie

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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Monday 19 March 12 03:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ken

Thank you so much for all your checking.  You are correct in your finding that he was in Australia for 23 years not 33.  The writing is quite hard to understand.

Just checking my notes from when I sighted the Asylum records, they are as follows:-

I have sighted the actual Asylum Register held at The State Library of Victoria in Melbourne. The entries are as follows:- The first application to have Malachi admitted to the asylum was on Oct 7 1880. He had Chronic Bronchitis. He was denied admission due to there being 'no room'. He was subsequently admitted on Jan 6 1881. The entry in the register reads as follows:- Date of Application: 6/1/1881. Age: 49. Sex: M Married: Widower. Issue: 3 (meaning children) Occupation: Slater. Residence: 67 Market St, Emerald Hill. Length of Residency in Colony: 23 yrs Birth Place: Co. Westmeath, Ireland. Recommending Person: W.J. Mountain (Mayor of Emerald Hill). Reason: Chronic Bronchitis. Admitted 6 Jan 1881

I also found a note that Malachi applied for insolvency in 1867.  This information was given to me by a direct descendant of Malachi's living in NSW.  I did try and find some reference to this in the Melbourne library but again drew a blank.  It is very frustrating isn't it when you keep hitting a brick wall, but very satisfying when you actually do get some information. 

Thank you again.
Regards
Maggie


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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Monday 19 March 12 01:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ken

The details on the schedule of deaths from Ancestry is as follows:

1881 Deaths in the District of West Hotham in the Colony of Victoria
No. 496.  Died 2 June 1881 Melbourne Benevolent Asylum, Town of Hotham, County of Rourke (or Bourke).
Malachi McCarty, Slater.
Broncho Pneumonia
Deputy Registrar Robert C Marrelt? West Hotham
Buried 4 June at Melbourne General Cemetery in (looks like) Crawford or Crawforth.
Born Westmeath, Ireland.
33 years in Victoria
Widower, 3 children.

A picture of a monument would be amazing.  Hopefully the above information may help.

Thank you
Margaret

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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Monday 19 March 12 00:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ken

Re: Malachi McCarthy

The information I have is that he died at the asylum on 2 June 1881 and was buried on 4 June 1881.  Reg. no. 4833. 

Thank you so much for your help.  It is really appreciated.

Just in case you didn't know I am in New Zealand.  We have recently moved to Nelson from Christchurch.  Had enough of earthquakes!!  If there is anything I can do for you let me know.  I am a member of Ancestry.com so get a lot of information from there until we get back to the nitty gritty in Ireland and then it comes to a stop.

Regards
Maggie

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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Sunday 18 March 12 00:50 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ken

Yes, some seem to use McCarthy and some McCarty which isn't unusual as it was all down to who wrote it down for those that couldn't write.  My line used McCarty up to my Great Grandfather who used McCarty and Carter.  I tried to track down the reason for the change to Carter and can only assume he wanted to appear more English.  Some of his children used Carter and some McCarty.  Both names are on his death certificate.  My grandfather used Carter and so that has continued on.  I was disappointed as I would have liked my surname to have been McCarty instead of Carter.

Thanks for the info about Hotham, I didn't know that.  Malachi is, apparently, buried in Melbourne Cemetery in Crawford.  I was hoping to visit his grave while in Melbourne, but ran out of time.  I did try to find out where in the cemetery he was but couldn't get the information.  I was told it is a huge place.

Regards
Maggie

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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Saturday 17 March 12 05:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ken

Great to hear from you.

I went to Melbourne a couple of years ago and found that Malachi had died in the Melbourne Benevolent Asylum, Hotham.  I saw the actual entries in the asylums ledger.  Apparently he tried to get admitted some months earlier with Bronchitus, but was turned away as there wasn't any space for him.  He eventually got accepted and died within a week or so.  He married Ann Hemming in 1862.  He had a son also named Malachi, so this is most likely the other Malachi you have found.

Look forward to hearing any news you may find.

Thanks
Maggie

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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Saturday 17 March 12 05:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ken

I have been reading with interest about the Joseph Soames, and in particular about my Great Great Grand Uncle James McCarty.  (I may have been in contact with you before).  I have been researching the Irish side of my family for some time and discovered all about James and his four brothers.  The oldest JOHN was my Gt Gt Grandfather, he never left England at all. His occupation 'Slater'.  JAMES was transported, as you have written, but I found him back in England on the 1851 census.  He later married, had his own business (with employees) as a 'Slater' and eventually had servants of his own.  MALACHI was the only one to emigrate to Australia in 1858. His occupation also 'Slater'. I am now in contact with his descendants in NSW.  I don't have a lot of information on the other two brothers Micheal and Thomas, but have found no information that suggests they ever left England.  The reference to Westmeath has come from Malachi's marriage and death certificates, which my family in Australia have been kind enough to send me.  I have seen the Ballymore reference on a family tree, but haven't been able to confirm this location with any documents, so don't know where that came from.

I would love to think that James and Thomas Brown were friends, and would really like to be able to confirm the birth places of the other brothers.  Their father was Malachi and their mother Bridget.  They went to England with their five sons sometime after the last son was born in 1838 and before the 1841 census, which states they were all born in Ireland.

I would really love to hear from anyone with anymore information,

Maggie

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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Thursday 10 February 11 02:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Tony

Thanks for that.  I have just re-read the information I have about the Joseph Somes voyage and have found the following statement: " most men were given a complete free pardon within four years of arrival in Australia".  So I'm hoping this was the case for my James McCarty. 

Thanks again
Maggie

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Australia / Re: Joseph Soames (Exiles Ship ) 1847
« on: Tuesday 08 February 11 04:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Everyone,

Does anyone know how I can find out about my ancestor, James McCarty's stay in Geelong?  He was transported on the Joseph Somes in 1847 from Millbank.  I have the details from 'Convicts of the Port Phillip District', but would like to know what happened next.  According to the book he was given work for one month with Robert Sutherland of Native Creek, Geelong.  I have him back in Birmingham by the 1851 census.  Apparently everyone on the Joseph Somes was given a Royal Pardon, was this an absolute pardon remitting the whole sentence.  Was he free to return to England? 

I live in New Zealand so can't get to the Melbourne library.  Is there any other way to get any details? 

I appreciate any information anyone may have.

Regards
Maggie

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