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Hi Roy

If you look at the free website, www.northwalesbmd.org.uk , there is a marriage in 1868 of David Whittal (one L) to Mary Harris or Mary Haines at Llanwnog Parish Church. Strangely, this does not show on other searches, although www,freebmd.org.uk shows a marriage for John Whittal and Mary Harries (spelt with an E) in the Qtr ended Sep 1868 in Newtown district.
I would be inclined to order these certificates to confirm.
Best of luck
Stan

Hi Gemsgirl,

I have this family living at Haycock's Building, Welshpool in the 1841 census:

Lewis Lewis (40ish)  Machine maker
Ann Lewis  (35ish)
Lewis Lewis (13)
Ann Lewis (11)
Thomas Lewis (9)
John Lewis (5)
Richard Lewis (2)
Mary Lewis (4m)

In 1851, they have moved to Commercial Road, Llanllwchaiarn, Newtown:
Lewis Lewis (53) Wheelwright & Machine Maker Master  b. Shrewsbury
Ann Lewis (48)  Wife,  b. Berriew, Montg.
Richard Lewis (12)  Son,  b. Welshpool
Mary Lewis  (10)  Daughter, b. Welshpool

Lewis Lewis (Junior), now aged 23, and also a Machine Maker, is an Unmarried Lodger at Greenfield St., Greenfield Row, Holywell, Flintshire.

Good luck!
Stan

I agree with Shirl, the family are at Guilsfield in 1891, despite the inconsistancies.

If you look in 1901, your great grandfather Richard is at Peniarth, Meifod:
Richard Griffiths (26), Waggoner
Margaret Jane  "    (24) His wife
Frederick          "  (under 1m) son
Frederick         "    (13) Brother

This brother Frederick (13)  ties in with the Frederick (3) in 1891 in Guilsfield.

Also, in 1901, Richard Griffiths, senior seems to have moved to Shropshire :

Living at Cottage, Stanton upon Hineheath, Wem, Shrops.
Richard Griffiths (50) Ag. Lab., b. Meifod
Mary Ann   "       (19) Dau
John          "       (11) Son
Susannah  "       (  Dau
Ellen Jane   "      (6)  Dau
George B.   "      (1)  Son        b. Guilsfield
This last child being born in Guilsfield also gives you further proof of the 1891 census.
However, Richard (senior) in 1901 is still shown as married, though wife Susannah is not at home.
Further investigation suggests she was at The Salop Infirmary at the time:

Susannah Griffiths (46)  though shown as b. Welshpool, Dolanog is not far away.

I have your greatgrandfather Richard (aged 36) at Penyfoel, Meifod in the 1911 census, with wife Margaret (34) & 5 children. (Frederick (10) Herbert (9) Susannah (6) Edward (4) and Florence (2))

Good luck
Stan

Hi,

The 1901 census shows this family at Blackhall, Llandyssil - Edward Owen (28), Farmer b. Mochdre , his wife Sarah A Owen (26), b. Forden and 2 children, Edwin A (or R?) (3) and William R (2).
The likelihood, therefore, is that the Forden marriage identified by Carole is the right one - Qtr Dec 1896 Edward Owen & Sarah Ann Evans Forden 11b/359.
The marriage certificate will give you more information to validate names of their fathers.

It is probable that Edward is the son of David & Jane Owen, who in the 1871 census were at The Mill, Escaergeiliog, Mochdre. David (38) b. Kerry is a Miller, wife Jane, also born in Kerry is aged 36. They have 4 children, Richard (11), Pryce (7), Herbert (4) and Mary Ann (1).

By 1881, David (48) was widowed and now described as an 'Ag. Lab.'. Mary Ann (11) was still at home together with Edward (.
David was still at The Mill, on his own, in 1891 and 1901.

If you need any other census look-ups for this family, please ask.

Good luck
Stan

Dear All

I am sure that the residents of Llanwnog and Caersws will be most put out by the suggestion that they are the same place. They are most definitely separate villages about a mile or so apart - Caersws is the bigger village, through which the River Severn passes. Llanwnog is little more than a hamlet these days, though it has a lovely church, in the cemetery of which the great welsh poet, John Ceiriog Hughes is buried.

Heddwch  - if you Google 'Llanwnog photographs' you will get a small selection of old photos.


Stan