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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Tuesday 13 April 10 00:42 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark,

You have been busy with your research.  I shall have to be very brief today as I am looking after one of my granddaughters and haven't the time to do any research. 

My goodness the complications of our Thomas Jerram seem to become more and more every day!!  What great findings there have been by Sunflower!!  We must thank her for that.  She seems to have come up with some very solid answers to our questions.  It seems he had an interesting but often tragic life.

I shall be intouch again tomorrow when I shall have time to do more digging!
Not sure how to send a PM with my e-mail address in this system.  The photo's sound most interesting.

Talk tomorrow.      Diana

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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Monday 12 April 10 05:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark,

That was a great find with Amelia Jerram's birth.  It is almost certain to be the right one.

Now this is just a hunch, but I have had a general look at IGI and have come up with an Amelia Jerram in the 1881 Census, staying with Jacob and Mary Sturton at Holbeach Lincoln, where Jacob was the Vicar of Little Bedwyn and Amelia his guest is aged 62 and an Aunt to Jacob.  On looking into the Sturton marriage, I find she was Mary Jane Taylor of Nottingham.  Do you think that is any connection?  I haven't had time to look any further.

I do not have a John T Jerram in my lists at all, but my G Grandfathers brother was John and he was in the lace industry - infact the two brothers were the last to run the factory begun by their father.  Family history tells that it was mysteriously burnt down not long after the brothers had a dispute.

As a note to your comment about the Galloway name.  My Grandfather was William Galloway Jerram,  born in 1848, obviously taken from his mothers maiden name.  I think it was her grandfather on her mothers side who was involved with the lace industry - Gibson was the surname.

Thanks for all your information.  It has been a great help to me.

Kindest Regards,       Diana

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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Sunday 11 April 10 23:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark,

This is all very interesting about the lace industry etc. 

Thomas is sure proving to be a bit of a mystery man!!  If only all the IGI etc records were complete!!  (Not knocking them at all, as I think they are a marvelous tool for finding people)   I don't think the Thomas Jerram/Sarah Turner marriage in 1832 can be the right one though.

It does sound as if we have the right Amelia Jerram with the correct address etc. and the date would fit for him to have had another marriage/partner before he married Harriot, as his brother Samuel didn't die until 1824 and I am not sure of the date of his marriage in the Channel Islands, but it is recorded in a family tree I have which was compiled back in the 1930's.   

Re the George Turner Jerram marriage you found - that is the correct one. 
He and Elizabeth Beastall had a son: George Beastall Jerram born 23/2/1841 and christened at Old Church, St Pancras, London. 
George Turner Jerram married a 2nd time to Julia Bevan (date unknown) and at the 1881 Census was living at Highbury Hill Stoneham, London.  They had two daughters: 
Caroline Julia Jerram born in 1849 who was married George Morris and had three children.
Anna Eva Jerram born in 1857 in Islington, Middlesex who was living with her parents in the 1881 Census in London.  She later married Charles Howard Atkisson and had three children.

Things can get very complicated when there are multiple marriages.

Hope this comfirms you are on the right track.  Can you tell me the web site for the Parish register as I have other my gg grandfathers in-laws to trace through the same parish - the Galloways who I believe were also involved in the Nottingham Lace Industry.

Will keep on looking for further evidence!!

Kind regards.      Diana

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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Sunday 11 April 10 02:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark,

And, so the saga goes on with Thomas!! 

I do see how you suspect a third marriage with the information we can glean from records, although I believe that Turner must have been a name connected to a previous generation, as I doubt that the other George Turner Jerram who was Thomas's nephew would have been named after his aunt  by marriage surname! 

You are right in noting that children were often given the surname of their mother in many of the families.  It seemed to happen often in these families.

I have just looked up the IGI records (not that they are all complete I am sure), but did find the christening of Amelia Jerram on 24th July, 1817 with parents Thomas Jerram and Sarah.  On looking for a marriage between a Thomas Jerram and Sarah Turner, one took place on 22nd April, 1832 at Sawley, some 15 years after Amelia's birth/christening, so I doubt that would apply.
 
I too did notice a different church, but am not familiar with the various religions of the Nottingham churches.  Maybe Thomas's wife Mary belonged to that one.
I believe the only way we are going to solve this is to visit the various churches the family attended and see for ourselves, the registers in the church.  Unfortunately that is a bit out of the question for me being on the other side of the world!!

Sorry I haven't anything more positive to tell.

Kind Regards,            Diana

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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Friday 09 April 10 22:40 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark,

I do believe I have solved our problem regarding Thomas Jerram's first marriage by searching in IGI files.  Here I have found a marriage for :

Thomas Jerom to Mary Greatorex on 22nd October 1804 at Chrich, Derby, England under the Derby register.

I them went to Nottingham and found the christenings of three children to Thomas and Mary Jerom at St Nicholas, Nottingham.

George Jerom c 3rd April, 1805
Charles Jerrom c 3rd September, 1806
Mary Jerrom c 20th April, 1808.

What do you think??  These dates match those you supplied for George Turner and Mary!!!


Kindest regards.
Diana

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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Thursday 08 April 10 23:02 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark,

This all seems to be falling into place.  Thank you too for the information you have sent.  It is so hard finding things out from the other side of the world.  I am glad to have been able to help in some little way. 

I have looked back to my original information and omitted to see that Thomas Jerram had indeed been married twice and believed there had only been one marriage.  It is noted in very small writing that Harriet was his second wife, but there is no mention as to the name of his previous one.  His three children are listed as their family!  I have looked for a Jerram / Turner marriages in the BD&M listings I have available and the only ones I have come up with don't have a George Turner Jerram listed among their children.  There is a Mary and a Sarah, but I cannot comfirm that they are the right ones, although they all lived in Sawley! 

As you say, the nephew John mentioned in the will may well have been Harriot and Samuel's son, as Samuel was a tea merchant,  but I have been unable to find any children to them and assumed there weren't any.  I don't see any other John listed who could be a nephew to him in the other families.

I have looked up to Orton family and found it all most interesting.  I had been missled with the surname being Horton in the records I had been given, so hadn't been able to trace them before.

It is all very interesting with the Lace factories too. I shall see if I can source the book you mentioned.  I went to Nottingham about three years ago, but couldn't find anything at the information centre relating to the Jerram family.

Please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Kindest regards.       Diana

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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Thursday 08 April 10 00:08 BST (UK)  »
Mary Jerram was one of eleven children born to James and Ellen (nee Crofts) Jerram. 
James c 1773  (my ancestor)  who married Hannah Lawton
Thomas b 1773
Mary b 1775 who married George Bradley
Ann c 1776
Elizabeth c 1778
William c 1779
Hannah c 1780
Eleanor b 1781 who married Henry Pratt
Abigail c 1783
John c 1784
Sophia c 1788

My James Jerram (Mary Bradley's nephew) was in partnership in a lace factory in Nottingham with his brother John which had been started with their father James Jerram.  I believe there factory was situated at High Pavement and Island Streets and later at Castlegate.  It is believed there was a dispute between the brothers around 1850 and it was then that James decided to move on and came to New Zealand with his family.  They had

Sarah b 1839 who we believed died before they left England
Ann Galloway b 1840 who was a teacher in Auckland, NZ
James Tait b 1842 who married Harriet Speedy
George Gibson b 1843 who returned to Nottingham
Mary Ellen b 1847 who married William Neale
William Galloway b 1848  ( my grandfather) who married Fanny Harley.

I hope this is of interest to you.

Kindest regards,    Diana


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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Wednesday 07 April 10 23:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi Mark,
Most interesting to get your messages.  Nice to know we have connections in Canada!!  I shall now follow that through. 
I have traced our connection to John Jerram (1706-1769),  who married Elizabeth Mary Anne Gregory.  Anne died at the birth of their son Charles b 1734 at Sawley.  Five years later, John married Mary Robinson and they had two sons, William b 1742 and James (my ancestor) b 1745, making them half brothers to Charles. 
Charles married Mary Knutton, daughter of William Knutton of Larch Farm near Blidworth.  I have the same listing as you for their family.  I didn't know that Thomas had gone to Canada.  His wife Harriot (nee Wood) was the widow of his brother Samuel who died in 1824 and to my knowledge, this was his only marriage.  I do have listings of Charles descendants, some dating to about the 1920's.  My Jerram records go back to the 1500's.   Hope that is of help.

Regards,          Diana

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Nottingham Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Completed - Nottingham Lace Manufacturers : Jerram, Warner & Jerram 1823 - 1831
« on: Wednesday 07 April 10 01:50 BST (UK)  »
Just found this site.  I am connected to Mary Jerram.  Her father James Jerram (1745 - 1810) who married Ellen Crofts, was my ggg grandfather.  I am decended from her brother James who married Hannah Lawton,  then his son James who married Mary Galloway.  The latter named emigrated to New Zealand  in 1859 and we have quite a clan of Jerrams in this country.  Interesting to be able to find a connection to the family.  Have often wondered about the Lace factory.

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