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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Wednesday 05 September 12 09:04 BST (UK)  »
Hi MacCionaoith,
there was record I found some years ago, a baptism that had a Thomas and Alice Kenny the parents of a Letty (properly Letitia or even sometimes petnamed Betsy)) from Tattinbar (not sure if that townland is in Aghavea or Aghalurcher COI parish) in September 1817. I think that was in the Belfast Public Record Office. Is that any connection to your Alice?
Garvary

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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Tuesday 07 August 12 00:56 BST (UK)  »
Sorry ... the Methodist evangelists were active in the late 18th and early 19th centuries in Fermanagh.
I am myself a Kenny from Fermanagh now living in Galway.

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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Tuesday 07 August 12 00:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi friends, back after a long absence.
Interesting to read MacCionnaoith's post about a Kenny family business.
My grandfather James Kenny, born 1909 was a shoemaker and this was a family business. He reportedly went to 9 different schools in Fermanagh (and other counties) as his father William travelled with the family as a journeyman shoemaker (though he would turn his hand to any leatherwork). My uncle Jim Kenny carried on the business in Enniskillen until the 1980's in his shoe repair shop in Enniskillen.
With regard to religion Kenny families in the Brookeborough/Maguiresbridge area were members of Church of Ireland and Methodist Churches and there would have been some interchangeability. With regard to a Catholic connection in Fermanagh I have no doubt there was a cross over here sometime in the 1700's or earlier in this family. It is pertinent to remember that the Brooke family the local large landowners were quite anti Catholic and employment by them may have been religion conditional. Added to this was the fact that intermarriage was not unknown so that families sometimes changed religion. Also, the Methodist evangelical missions in late 17th and early 18th century Ireland had many Catholic converts. There are Catholic Kennys to be found in Fermanagh who never were Protestants.

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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Saturday 03 April 10 11:22 BST (UK)  »
Methodism in the 19th Century was probably better represented in Fermanagh than in other Northern or Ulster counties. This was because the Church of Ireland (Anglican) was stronger here than in other northern counties were Presbyterianism had a strong representation among Protestants. John Wesley was an Anglican priest and found greater favour for his teaching with people who were Anglican to begin with. He visted Fermanagh several times in the 18th century (but not always well received). Methodism almost became the the 'evangelical' wing of Anglicanism until its break from that church. Many Fermanagh Protestants who were pious were attracted to its small group meetings, its prayer and its fervour. Obviously some Kenny folk were religious and pious people who left the Church of Ireland in favour of this church. In Fermanagh today Methodistm Free Methodism and Independant Methodism are still well represented.

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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Saturday 03 April 10 11:10 BST (UK)  »
My own interest in the Kenny name in Fermanagh is to discover its origins. It is a Gaelic name in general but has had several branches or septs that had their name anglicised to 'Kenny'. It is a name in Galway, Donegal, Clare and in Down. The Fermanagh clan are difficult to work out. There is no obvious root of the family in Fermanagh (I think). My suggestions on their origins are:
1. The are an native Fermanagh family but were so small and insignificant they were not recorded. (see Livingston's History of Fermanagh). The ancient bardic Breslin family history does mention Kenny's as relations.
2. They are a part of the Fermanagh 'McCanny' or 'Canny' family. They are native to Fermanagh. It was common for names to change spelling slightly or drop 'Mc' or 'O' of necessary. If there was a change of religion from Catholic to Protestant this also might happen.
3. Since they are near the border with Monaghan they may be 'McKenna' or 'Kenna' stock. The name McKenna in Irish is MacCionaoith. Kenny in Irish is O'Cionaoith. Some Kenny surnames have differing Irish roots.
4. They may be a family that came from Donegal which have Kenny as a native family name. This may be supported in that these Kenny's worked for the landed English family and landowners the Brooke's. This family owned estates in Donegal and Fermanagh and it would not be uncommon for landowners to offer work and tenancy  in their other estates. The Brooke's owned land in North Donegal were many Kenny's came from.
5. They may have completely different origin such as in Kenna, Kenney, Kinney etc. I don't think the name in this case has an English origin as with some of the Galway Kenny's.
That's my thoughts anyway. No proof I'm afraid, just conjecture having done some study.

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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Saturday 03 April 10 10:47 BST (UK)  »
Hi Donles, this is probably a mispelling of Aghavea which would cover the Maguiresbridge to Lisnaskea area. I don't know of any Kenny's of this branch that were on the Sligo Road side of Enniskillen at that time.

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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Wednesday 31 March 10 10:37 BST (UK)  »
One further mote. If you go onto Google maps and put in Rosslea, Co Fermanagh you will clearly see Tattinbar shown a little south/west of it. It is a country area, an irish townland. I originally thought it was nearer Brookeborough or Lisnaskea but obviously not. It is very close to the border with the Rep. of Ireland. The parishes of Aghavea and Aghalurcher generally cover this area (not sure of parish boundaries).

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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Wednesday 31 March 10 10:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi, did a little more searching around for you Donles. I think I may have your relatives.
There is Thomas and Alice Kenny with a baptism record (not sure if it is Ahgavea or Aghalurcher) in September 1817 for Letty (pet name for Letitia). The baptism record stated that they lived in the townland of Tattinbar, around Brookeborough, Co Fermanagh. I haven't seen any other records for the other children you mentioned.
There was at least one other Kenny family, George & Margaret living in Tattinbar at the same time having children also. The family were probably tenant farmers like the other Kenny families in the area.

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Fermanagh / Re: KENNY family: Fermanagh to Gatineau, Quebec, Canada in1830.
« on: Tuesday 30 March 10 23:20 BST (UK)  »
Hi, the name in Fermanagh and in Ireland is not that rare.  There were Kenny's from Brookeborough in the mid 19th century that were Methodists. Some of their relatives will probably be found in the Aghavea Church of Ireland Parish records (and perhaps some in the Aghalurcher Parish records). The family are recorded in the Brookeborough/Lisnaskea area from at least the 1780's.
The Kenny families in this area were under the Brooke landlords. There are many records in the Public Records Office in Belfast that will have information about them.
The Kenny's I am aware of are of Thomas and William Kenny in the 'Knocks' townland (between Brookborough and Lisnaskea in the late 18th century. They were brothers.
Hope that helps.

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