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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Thursday 19 August 10 10:07 BST (UK)  »
Hi McKen, thank you very much for all the information.  I will now extend and amend the family tree and look forward to hearing from you again...

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Wednesday 18 August 10 16:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi McKen, thank you so much for your email, I too have been investigating my husband's family tree and am convinced that they are indeed related to each other!
Colour Sergeant James Drummond, 92nd Foot Gordon Highlanders, was my husband's great great grandfather and was living with his wife Jane, daughters Jane (3yrs), Margaret (3months) and son Charles (1year) at 12 Wales Street, Aberdeen according to the 1871 Scottish Census (unfortunately we don't have access to the handwritten copy of the census, just a basic typed version).  He went on to have another son James in 1874 and I think a daughter, Katherine, in India in 1878 (ref: 1881 census).
Whilst living in India as a soldier with his family....'on the occasion of the Imperial Assemblage at Delhi, to honour Queen Victoria being proclaimed Empress of India (1876), one sergeant from each regiment present, received a commemoration medal.  For the 92nd, this was James Drummond.
He was then posted to Afghanistan where he received the Aghan War medal with two clasps for Charasia (6 Oct 1879) and Kabul (10-23 Dec 1879).  His army number was 488.
Unfortunately on 13 December 1879, he received a gunshot wound to the abdomen during hand to hand fighting at the assault on the Takht-i-Shah near Kabul and was killed.  Surgeon Duke described his death ...
'James Drummond, a Highlander, stood over the fallen body of Lieutenant St John Forbes and bravely defended him, shooting one Afghan and endeavouring to bayonet another, who then seized the Highlander's rifle and a deadly struggle took place, during which he was cut down from behind and killed and then also Lt St John Forbes who he had tried to save.  Such is the manner in which Lieutenant St John Forbes and Colour Sergeant James Drummond met their death.'
However, whilst researching a little for Lt St John Forbes, I came across this: 'Lieutenant St John William Forbes was killed at Kabul on 13 December 1879.  He was the third son of Lt Col John Forbes and Lucy Whitmore and born at Malvern Link 20 January 1856.  He was at Charasiah, Kabul and the expedition to Maidan.  On 13 December 1879 he led his men to the summit of Takht-i-Shah and was protecting the body of Colour Sergeant James Drummond when he was shot through the head'.  (he was 23 years old at the time and this piece included a small photo of the young lieutenant)
The regimental notes add that James Drummond had 21 years service, was a native of Stanley in Perthshire, and an athlete who excelled in putting the stone and throwing the hammer.
I would like to say that Garen Ewing of RootsChat.co was so helpful in our research and gave us most of the service history for James Drummond, including a photo of him with the famous Hector MacDonald.
After he died we presume his wife and children returned to Scotland.  His two sons we believe (ref: 1881 Scottish census - Charles aged 11 and James aged 7) went to the Orphan Hospital, Midlothian.  Unfortunately we had no further information about the family, except for Charles who went on to become my husband's great grandfather, until we received your email.
The family story goes that Charles "walked" south to find work.  He appears on 1891 census for Stockton-on-Tees, Durham; I then found a marriage certificate showing he married Alice Mary Bush on 19 October 1893 in Kensington, Mddx which states he was a 'dyer' and his father a soldier deceased.  On the 1901 census, it shows he has moved to Newport, Monmouth with his wife and 3 children.  One of which, Charles Roy Drummond, goes on to be the grandfather of my husband.
Going back to the 1851 Scottish census, I've found a Charles Drummond, born about 1804 in Redgorton, living in Stanley with his wife Isabella and 6 children, one of which is a James Drummond aged 11 (could this be our Colour Sergeant?).  And going back even further, to the 1841 Scottish census, Charles appears here but with his wife Galdla Drummond and James at a year old.  So if this is correct, then we could have found the parents of James Drummond ie Charles and Galdla, our husbands' great great great grandparents.
I think this is all the information I have so far and hope that it contains some new material for you.  I will try and pass on the 2 photos mentioned and a copy of our family tree if you like but please do keep in touch,  I can always send you my email address!

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Friday 06 August 10 10:57 BST (UK)  »
Hi McKen
How brilliant! Thank you so much, I believe I have so much information I can share with you too, even a photograph of Colour Sergeant James Drummond, but I just need a bit of time to write that email.  I am sure it will be worth it!  Drummo

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Thursday 08 April 10 23:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi Garen

Thank you for the info on the possible burial place of Colour Sergeant James Drummond. I've now possibly found his wife and 2 daughters on the 1881 Scottish census, showing that they had another daughter whilst in India (Katherine b1878) - I wonder if poor James ever saw this daughter (of course I could be going off on completely the wrong tangent though)!

I will see if I can get any further info on Kabul and the Sherpur Cantonment (should I be lucky, I'll get back to you).  I've also now got a little bit more history on Hector MacDonald but can't find anything on Lieutenant St John Forbes so far.

Once again thanks very much for all the family history you've given us, it really has been so interesting and remarkable.  However if you do find any further info or photos, I'd love to hear from you.

Regards Drummo


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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Tuesday 30 March 10 14:33 BST (UK)  »
Hi Garen
First my apologies if you have already received my reply to your incredibly detailed email regarding Colour Sergeant James Drummond!  Many thanks indeed for the information, just what we were hoping for, and as for a photo as well - absolutely fantastic being able to put a face to the name.
We know from the 1871 Scottish Census that he was born about 1840 in Redgorton, Perthshire and his wife Jane about 1837 in Auchengray, Perthshire.
He had 4 children, Jane born about 1868, Charles about 1870, Margaret about 1871 and James about 1874.  We've not found any trace so far, of Jane and the 2 girls in the 1881 Scottish census but, have found there a Charles (age 11) and a James (age7) Drummond in a Midlothian Orphanage Hospital and suspect these could be the Colour Sergeant's 2 boys.  Any ideas?  Would the Highlanders have helped the family in any way after the death of James?  Also is there any record of where James would have been buried?
Again many. many thanks for all the splendid information, regards Drummo

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Monday 29 March 10 23:01 BST (UK)  »
Hello drummo

James Drummond was killed on 13 December 1879 - he received a gun shot to the abdomen during hand to hand fighting at the assault on the Takht-i-Shah near Kabul. Surgeon Duke described his death:

"…a Highlander stood over his fallen body [that of Lt. St. John Forbes] and bravely defended him, shooting one [Afghan] and endeavouring  to bayonet another, who seized the Highlander's rifle, and a deadly struggle took place, during which he was cut down from behind and killed, and then the officer he had tried to save. Such is the manner in which Lieutenant St John Forbes and Colour-Sergeant James Drummond met their death."

The regimental history notes that:

"Colour-Sergeant Drummond had twenty-one years' service; he was a native of Stanley in Perthshire, and an athlete who excelled in putting the stone and throwing the hammer."

There is a photo of him next to the famous Hector MacDonald in the regimental history (it shows most of the sergeants of the regiment in 1879). I've attached an enlargement below - Drummond is on the left, MacDonald on the right.

James Drummond received the Afghan War medal with two clasps, for Charasia and Kabul. His army number was 488. On the occasion of the Imperial Assemblage at Delhi to honour Queen Victoria being proclaimed Empress of India (1876), one sergeant from each regiment present received a commemoration medal - for the 92nd this was James Drummond.

Do you have any more information about his wife and children (names, dates etc?)

Hope this is useful, all best - Garen

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Tuesday 23 March 10 16:41 GMT (UK)  »
In the 1871 census Colour Sergeant James Drummond aged 31 was living in Aberdeen with his wife and children.  His regiment was the 92nd foot Gordon Highlanders.

Some time later, we understand that he was posted with his family to India.  While serving in India, he was awarded the Empress of India medal.

He was then posted to Afghanistan (1878-1880) where he subsequently died.  His family returned to Scotland and his two sons were put in an orphanage with no further trace of his wife and two daughters.  His wife received the Indian medal postumously.

We would like to know how, when, where he died and where he was buried and any further information on his medal?

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