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Caithness / Re: Isaac Sutherland
« on: Tuesday 17 January 12 12:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bill,

There isn't one on record!!! been looking because that would give us the land etc.. I don't even know where they lived :(

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Caithness / Re: Isaac Sutherland
« on: Thursday 12 January 12 22:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Xin,

Chasing Isaac Sutherland has become an obsession....I have almost everything on Ancestry.com so that I can pick up more info and any records that become available.

Post photos and documents and share them.

And as you can see cousins have reconnected and Isaac has become a person to us all instead of a name and a date.

The Somerset Hotel started the new life for him and his family and they succeeded. But I want to know the whys and the wheres etc..

I have 2 trees on ancestry. but try this link

http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/14720119/person/158039388

I am not sure if you have to be a member to see it though.

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Caithness / Re: Isaac Sutherland
« on: Thursday 12 January 12 14:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Bill,

Glad you have joined in finally :))

Had a look at the land map.. what is the writing on the top?

When William inherited the land from Isaac is there a copy of the will anywhere. What did he leave the other kids? He had heaps of land blocks.

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Caithness / Re: Isaac Sutherland
« on: Thursday 12 January 12 00:17 GMT (UK)  »
sorry the death rego didn't work

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Caithness / Re: Isaac Sutherland
« on: Thursday 12 January 12 00:15 GMT (UK)  »
When I was at Bannockburn I met with other family but no info on other homes was given and Isaac dealt in a lot of land being a builder

.. a new housing estate has gone up behind the old pub called Somerset estate..

I think if given a chance it would be best to go to the council offices there...

I will do that next trip down.But that could be a year off at this stage.

Here is a photo of Robert Sutherland and his death registration

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Caithness / Re: Isaac Sutherland
« on: Tuesday 10 January 12 18:31 GMT (UK)  »
Hello jmd1,

The Somerset Hotel was the contract he and his boys got within a week of landing in Melbourne from Mr E.C. Holmes.
His sons William and Robert were contracted for 3 months work at 40 pounds each on the 26th October 1854 and Isaac on same day for 100 pounds for six months work.

This has also been corroborated by the Holmes family and a descendant met several family members at the old Hotel in 2010 when I took the photos.

 The oldest daughter Catherine Sutherland with her husband Robert Phillips purchased the Hotel and Robert died in the creek just below the Hotel.

Catherine is my descendant from her first husband.

Isaac Sutherland and Margaret Buchanans marriage Banns are the source of him being a Minister and his death Cert has him as a Wesleyan.

I have been told that he conducted funerals and his grandson William Phillips dug graves and possibly Isaac built the coffins as he was a carpenter.

There are a heap of documents and photos for the family on Ancestry but trying to track Isaacs parents in Scotland has proven very difficult to date.

I have photos of the Somerset Hotel as it is today, the marriage documents, shipping lists etc and I am going after the immigration papers of Isaac and his family.

 The Somerset Hotel is at  cnr Shelford &Hervey Rd, Bannockburn, Vic


   

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Australia / Re: Elizabeth JONES
« on: Monday 21 November 11 14:36 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: wivenhoe on Monday 21 November 11 11:09 GMT (UK)


Are you saying that William Rayner, father of William and George, is also in Tasmania?

Who is Sarah Rayner m.Thomas Kerr 23 Jan 1832 Hbt #1788 RGD 36

No children to this couple in Tas BDM

NSW BDM..children to Thomas Kerr and Sarah
(who might be them..all speculative..but worth noting)

V18324782 121B/1832  KERR  Isabella       
V18344783 121B/1834  KERR  Sarah     
V1839705 47/1839  KERR  Andrew   
V1842273 48/1842  KERR  Eliza J   
V1844274 48/1844  KERR William G   
V18451077 45A/1845  KERR  Mary   
V18481078 45A/1848  KERR  John   
V18501079 45A/1850  KERR  Robert 

and (you would have to think there is a Thomas somewhere to find)

4165/1870 death, Thomas Kerr, Manning River, 60yrs father Andrew, d. Manning River.
3472/1900 death, Sarah Kerr, father William, Stroud.




William Rayner moved to Hobart and lived there until his death..lived at the Cnr of Barracks st and Collins St Hobart.. He was a Baker.

Sarah Rayner is his second daughter to Susannah Chapman she married Thomas Kerr 23 Jan 1832 at Hobart. There a million Rayners I think sometimes and a heap named William!!!

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Australia / Re: Elizabeth JONES
« on: Monday 21 November 11 10:16 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: gennig on Monday 21 November 11 07:42 GMT (UK)
Hi

As far as I can tell Benjamin Thomas JOHNSON was Elizabeth JONES' only child.

I picked James up from C J Smees book of the First Fleet Families.

Alson Charles Benjamin JONES mentioned into B T Johnson's will is the son of Robert JONES.

Wondering if Robert had been with someone before Elizabeth Goldsmith.

Regards

Genni

Genni there was 2 Robert Jones on Norfolk Island.. and they do get mixed up in some records but this one doesn't come up in any records I have on musters, baptisms, letters etc..there is a heap on Robert Jones in the NSW Archives Office and Assistant Superintendant of Police Robert Jones is definetly our man..our Robert is 2nd fleet on the "Scarborough"

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Australia / Re: Elizabeth JONES
« on: Monday 21 November 11 10:11 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: wivenhoe on Monday 21 November 11 08:55 GMT (UK)


Regarding Elizabeth Goldsmith's history...

Have you located a marriage with Wm Rayner, and death for William Rayner?.

Have you located a marriage with Robert Jones?

Is it possible that she was not married to either of these men?

The record of the marriage to William Rayner is not recorded from Norfolk Island or records lost but William Rayner registered both his marriages to the Quakers in Hobart and all his children in 1834.. I have the copy of those records..

Robert Jones marriage..it had to be a bigamist marriage by Elizabeth Goldsmith as she was still married to William Rayner, and he married Susan Chapman whilst still married to Elizabeth..

So how much did the marriages count from Norfolk Island if they failed...not much, I suppose they were forced on them as well as the women were sent there to be with the men.

But the relationship with Robert Jones lasted till his death and was recognised by the Police and gave her a pension etc..

but the dates I have are William Rayner 19 Sept 1791 as per the Friends record and 1797 for Robert Jones.

But all the children of Elizabeth Goldsmith were baptised on Norfolk Is. by Rev. H. Fulton the 20 May 1804 and all with the surname of Jones. ie William and George sons of William Rayner and Roberts daughters Elizabeth and Mary. The boys lived with them on Norfolk and in Sydney until the boys went to Hobart..with William Rayner Snr possibly in 1814 as per the public notices but the Williams get mixed up here..

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