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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Sunday 06 April 14 17:29 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dorothy

I have sent you an email

Yours Aye
BruceL

Received, and your help is very much appreciated!

Dorothy

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Perthshire / Re: Help! Perth History!
« on: Wednesday 02 April 14 18:24 BST (UK)  »
Bruce, I had Watson connections (origins in Methven) who ran chippy shops somewhere in the area, and in Dundee.  I wonder if they would be the ones you remember?  Do you happen to know the Watson names?

Dorothy

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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Wednesday 02 April 14 17:15 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dorothy

Carrier was his occupation (modern version Lorry Driver) moving goods by horse and cart or wagon.

It could be that he had a carriers business.

The book I have is southern Perthshire published by the Scottish genealogical society in Edinburgh

http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/Downloads.aspx

As for getting a headstone restored and put back into position I think you would need to speak to a
local stone mason perhaps someone who knows will come along and answer your question.

I would also look at the free search on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk  for any wills that may have been made.

Yours Aye
BruceL

Hello Bruce

I'm back on the topic of James Young.  You mentioned that the MI book you have shows the grave of James close to that of his son's wife:  Eliz Miller (Stone 27).

Is there a map of the cemetery in the MI book?  If so, would it be possible for you to scan that page and send it to me?  I downloaded the 'Black Book', but am having difficulty understanding how it works and didn't see any maps.

I'm investigating the feasibility of having a monumental mason raise the fallen stone and re-fix it to its base, but I want to be sure that I have the correct headstone before I set things in motion.

I have been reading your posts, and am very impressed by the breadth of your genealogical knowledge.  You come up with such interesting websites to check out!

Thank you for all your help.

Dorothy

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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Tuesday 19 November 13 20:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dorothy

Carrier was his occupation (modern version Lorry Driver) moving goods by horse and cart or wagon.

It could be that he had a carriers business.

The book I have is southern Perthshire published by the Scottish genealogical society in Edinburgh

http://www.scotsgenealogy.com/Downloads.aspx

As for getting a headstone restored and put back into position I think you would need to speak to a
local stone mason perhaps someone who knows will come along and answer your question.

I would also look at the free search on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk  for any wills that may have been made.

Yours Aye
BruceL

Thank you, BruceL.  I will check out your suggestions.

Dorothy in Canada

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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Tuesday 19 November 13 18:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dorothy

The 35  is the age of the deceased

In the index stones 26,27,and 28 are linked together making it look as though there is a family connection the names you mention below are listed I will sort them and post later I am at work at the moment.

on the map in the book the grave is marked on the far side from the gate in front of a house

Yours Aye
BruceL

ADDED:  27 (near 26) Jas YOUNG  fr d Pitbaughlie DUNFERMLINE 28.6.1896 78, w Jessie GIBSON 16.12.1899 by daughter.


28 Archd  YOUNG  mert 1.9.1903  83, w Eliz  LAWSON 17.1.1922 88
das: ISABELLA 8.3.1869 6y,  Johanna 22.10.1891  20,  Eliz 19.9.1915

Thank you yet again, BruceL!  I have the descendants of James Young Jr tracked, and think they are accurately in 'The Tree'.  One mystery remains for James Jr: who was the mother of his illegitimate son, Peter?  That will likely remain a mystery.  Only one of the children borne to his marriage survived to adulthood - his daughter, Isabella (Young) McKerchar - and she erected the headstone.

Archibald Young was my maternal great-grandfather, so I have his descendants well wrapped.

James Sr, the father of the 2 mentioned above (among many others), has been difficult to pin down, so having a break through with wife #1 is amazingly good news.  James Sr & Mary (McVicar) Young died between 1841-1851, but they could in the same burial site as wife #1 - Eliz (Miller).

How would one would go about getting a headstone restored back in position?  James, Betty & Mary may all be hiding on the face of it!

Final note:  did you have any thoughts about what 'by James Young, carrier' might mean?  I'm guessing that 'by' might mean the headstone was erected by James??  'carrier' - his occupation??  In all records, he seems to have been a farmer, mainly at Needburn or Burnbrae Farms in the Methven area.

Where did you find the wonderful reference book that you are using?

Gratefully,

Dorothy in Canada

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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Tuesday 19 November 13 13:29 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dorothy

In the MIs for Methven

by Jas Young carrier , w Eliz MILLER 4.7.1816 35

Yours Aye
BruceL

BruceL, that is totally brilliant, and exciting!  Thank you very much both for the information, and the search. 

James was my g-g-grandfather.  Two of his sons: James Junior & Archibald are interred in the Methven churchyard, but I could find no stone for James Senior or either of his wives when I visited the area. 

The stone next to James Jr and Arch had toppled onto its face, and I wondered if it might belong to another family member.  Does your book pinpoint the location in the cemetery?

I need a bit of translation for the information you posted:  does '35' refer to the age of Elizabeth?

Do you know what 'by James Young carrier' means?

Dorothy in Canada




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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Tuesday 19 November 13 10:52 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Dorothy

I have had a look in the book I have for the names you mentioned and could find nothing I am afraid

Yours Aye
BruceL

Many thanks for looking, BruceL.  James, Betty & Mary are remain extremely elusive!

Dorothy in Canada

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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 10:04 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All

I have just looked up the MI book for Fowlis Wester (The revised 2000 by Alison Mitchell) and
there is no Marshall memorials in the book. The MIs in this book are all pre 1855 unless they relate to earlier stones

Yours Aye
BruceL

Hi BruceL
With respect, the MI (meaning monumental inscription?) book that you have for Fowlis Wester may be incomplete.  I have visited this cemetery, and as noted by one other contributor, there IS a headstone for Dr. William Marshall - I photographed it.  There is a lengthy inscription on it which includes something like:  Wm was "a faithful and loyal servant of the Queen from 1871-1881".

As one enters the Fowlis Wester Churchyard, Dr. Wm Marshall's headstone is a short distance in, on the left side of the path, and fairly close to the path.  I suspect is is of granite, and was in excellent condition when I last visited it in 2009.

Happy hunting.

Dorothy in Canada

Ahh, sorry, BruceL, I should read more carefully!!  I just realized your book contains records PRE 1855!  That's why the Marshall MI isn't there!! 

Does your book have MIs for James Young and either of his wives (Betty Miller or Mary McVicar)?  Betty d. pre-1817 (her last child was born 1815), & James re-married, to Mary 1817.  The last census in which James and Mary reliably appear is 1841.

James & Betty Young were the maternal grandparents of Wm Marshall.

Dorothy in Canada

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Perthshire / Re: Can you look up Fowlis Wester MIs?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 09:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hi All

I have just looked up the MI book for Fowlis Wester (The revised 2000 by Alison Mitchell) and
there is no Marshall memorials in the book. The MIs in this book are all pre 1855 unless they relate to earlier stones

Yours Aye
BruceL

Hi BruceL
With respect, the MI (meaning monumental inscription?) book that you have for Fowlis Wester may be incomplete.  I have visited this cemetery, and as noted by one other contributor, there IS a headstone for Dr. William Marshall - I photographed it.  There is a lengthy inscription on it which includes something like:  Wm was "a faithful and loyal servant of the Queen from 1871-1881".

As one enters the Fowlis Wester Churchyard, Dr. Wm Marshall's headstone is a short distance in, on the left side of the path, and fairly close to the path.  I suspect is is of granite, and was in excellent condition when I last visited it in 2009.

Happy hunting.

Dorothy in Canada

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