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Denbighshire / Re: Where is Cae Clogyn
« on: Thursday 22 March 12 12:27 GMT (UK)  »
My husband`s Aunty`s sister was married to Herbert Sydney. Have found my copies of the articles
which appeared in the North Wales Guardian - dated 5th July 1901 - inquest etc. There is mention of
Joseph Guest`s brother, at the Inquest, a William Guest described as "a man whose upright bearing and
smart appearance bespoke the soldier". 


Countrylover


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Denbighshire / Re: Where is Cae Clogyn
« on: Saturday 17 March 12 19:12 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Lubok.  I have just checked my e-mail and read your post regarding your distant relative Joseph Guest.
I will try and "dig out" my copy of the North Wales paper article for you - which I obtained from visiting the Archives.

Regarding the London Gazette - I actually saw the original newspaper which is in the possession of my husband`s
second cousin and his wife.  They also had a photo of Joseph Guest standing alongside Sydney  outside the farm with a horse and some dogs - taken in happier times!!  and other bit and pieces which had been handed down.

Kind regards
Countrylover


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Denbighshire / Re: Where is Cae Clogyn
« on: Tuesday 16 March 10 15:29 GMT (UK)  »
Mystery solved.   Visited Heritage Centre, Bersham, today, to check their Archives (had been to Hawarden yesterday - but on wrong track!!).  Staff very helpful.  The  story of this tragedy is reported in FULL in the North Wales Guardian dated July 5th. 1901.   It really was a sad case.  I had actually originally, a few years ago,  been shown an article in the 1901 London Gazette (complete with artist`s impression). The report in the North Wales Guardian gives much more information on this tragic event.

For many years after - many parents - used to "threaten" their off-spring with being "left at Cae Clogwyn". 



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Denbighshire / Re: Where is Cae Clogyn
« on: Sunday 14 March 10 09:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hopefully I might have some more info. Monday

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Denbighshire / Re: Where is Cae Clogyn
« on: Friday 12 March 10 15:48 GMT (UK)  »
Fascinating - her daughter was Margaret Florence!!

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Denbighshire / Re: Where is Cae Clogyn
« on: Friday 12 March 10 10:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
Joseph Guest was the Bailiff.  The lady was a Sydney Jones.

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Denbighshire / Re: Where is Cae Clogyn COMPLETED
« on: Wednesday 10 March 10 19:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi.

Brief details as follows -

The farm Cae Clogyn or Cae Clogwyn was the scene of a "crime of passion" murder in 1901.  The farm was very prestigous in its day and had its own farm bailiff.  The lady of the house was a great beauty and her Bailiff was madly in love with her.   Unfortunately for him her affections lay elsewhere and on the day she was due to leave
and move to her beau she was confronted by him in the kitchen.  The date was 3rd. July 1901.   Determined that if he could not have her then no other man would - he shot her.  He then turned the gun on himself - killing himself outright.  His victim however lay with severe head injuries.  She was taken to Wrexham Infirmary (imagine the journey - horse-power!) where she died 2 days later.  This crime of passion shocked the Nation and was reported in the London Gazette.   

The farmhouse stood empty and fell into ruins.  The substantial farm buildings stood and were used by local farmers for housing livestock up until the land was quarried in the 1960`s for sand and gravel.
All that was left of Cae Clogwyn was scooped away.   Although this area was known as "the old Quarry" it was only in fact quarried from the 60`s to the 80`s.   The path that runs from the Cymau end to the now Nature Reserve runs along the line that was the original old drive to the farm.


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Denbighshire / Re: Where is Cae Clogyn COMPLETED
« on: Wednesday 10 March 10 15:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hi
I am new to Roots - came across it when I googled "Cae Clogyn".  I am interested
as I live near to where it stood.  Can you give me more info. please as to how it
came to be mentioned in the first instance, I know there is quite a bit of history to the place,

Many thanks.
Countrylover

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