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Yes, there are 2! I cant believe i didnt think of doing that, doh, I usually lie in bed at night thinking over things and I sometimes the answers just come to me on what to do next, but not this time lol, so I thank you very much for this, the kids were born in Durham so I should be able to get those....will the birth certificates hold the mothers maiden name and place of birth?

Could anyone advise on exactly what information I will find on a marriage certificate from 1881?  I have found my Great great grandfathers marriage certificate, I hope to find out which county/town he was from in Ireland.  I obtained his death certificate recently (died 1899) hoping it would have this info on but it was very brief, and no place of birth was requested on it. I dont know where else to go as all I know is that his name is Patrick Devlin and he was from Ireland - and listed in 1871 census as living in hartlepool with his first wife Betty, working as a labourer.

wed definition of carcinoma - any malignant tumor derived from epithelial tissue; one of the four major types of cancer , so the strange word like epiglottis could be epithelial>?

And you too, many thanks for your reply. I was going to mention to you about this book Men of Iron, I have just finished reading that, and was going to let you know that it seems most known employee records were deliberately lost in a fire, in fact the only sources seem to be the law book, and the council instructions, but am sure you know this if you have read the book.   It was a very interesting read though, but frustrating as well as I would love to know more but as you know, info is scarce! It strikes me as very sad as you say he was a philanthropist and modern thinker, and shaped the area we live in for generations after he died, and theres not even a plaque in his name! Have read the Winlaton story but still - cant seem to find at all where the old site could be, and I live in Winlaton too!  Well, as I am searching I will certainly keep an eye out for Belt and Tench for you, I cant do a lot at the moment but hope to in the not too distant future.

many thanks!