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Derbyshire / Re: John Wall and wife troth of Darley, Derbyshire
« on: Today at 08:28 »
Which will is for Troth's father? I've seen wills for Thomas Townerowe of Ashover 1623, Ashover 1640 and Chesterfield 1686 but none seem to fit.

My ancestor John Bower of Walton made a will in 1619 naming a Thomas Townerow as a supervisor, but I haven't found if he was actually a relative. (John's son George later married an Isabell Townerow.)

David

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Derbyshire / Re: John Wall and wife troth of Darley, Derbyshire
« on: Sunday 04 May 25 20:42 BST (UK)  »
In all the instances of "Troth" in those two wills the first letter is a form of "T" that was fairly common at the time. The bit on the front was written by a different person, but you can tell it's a "T" because the abbreviated word before the name is "Tm" (standing for Testament) and the first letter is the same as in the name.

The form used within the wills is quite similar to an "E" but if you compare it with the first letter of "Executor" you can see an important difference. The "T" is composed of two strokes, with the pen taken off the paper in-between, while the "E" is one stroke made up of two curves.

Troth was a fairly common name in Derbyshire. If you search Ancestry's index of early Derbyshire parish registers for Troth you get over 200 records, adding Troath and Truth puts it up to about 300.
Searching for Eroth or similar gives just 6 records, and on inspection every one is a misreading of Troath!

David

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Johannes Bill Baptism, 1671
« on: Wednesday 23 April 25 03:04 BST (UK)  »
It's something like,
Johannes filius Josis Bill huius Eccles vic* et Rachelis uxoris bapt*: est 25to Martii 1671/2

John son of Josias or Josiah Bill (could be Bell) vicar of this Church and Rachel his wife is baptised 25 March 1671/2. (i.e. 25 March 1672)

According to CCED, Josias Bell was vicar of Much Wenlock from 1664 to 1706.
https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/persons/CreatePersonFrames.jsp?PersonID=39836

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Derbyshire / Re: John Wall and wife troth of Darley, Derbyshire
« on: Tuesday 18 March 25 10:13 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: marp on Tuesday 18 March 25 06:01 GMT (UK)

One thought that has occurred to me (and this is a stab in the dark) is that Troth came from a family who were not Church of England and her records may not be available.


More likely she was born in a parish which has no surviving records for that time. Looking at a few neighbouring parishes, Bonsall has nothing before 1634, Matlock 1637. It is also common for there to be gaps in records from the Civil War and Commonwealth times, 1640s and 1650s.


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Derbyshire / Re: John Wall and wife troth of Darley, Derbyshire
« on: Monday 17 March 25 22:12 GMT (UK)  »
In case you haven't seen them, John and Troth's wills are available on FindMyPast.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007622697%2f00565&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fwills%2f363176

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fstaff%2f007622732%2f00206&parentid=gbprs%2fstaff%2fwills%2f368592

They had sons Anthony, William, John, Stephen and David. (Except David is only mentioned in Troth's will, not in John's.)

David

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Edward Hilsden's will, 1558 please
« on: Sunday 05 January 25 14:11 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Bookbox on Sunday 05 January 25 12:08 GMT (UK)
I don't think the 'mother church' here is Lincoln, sorry.

I think it could be, compare the last letter with that of "heven".

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Gloucestershire / Re: Hyde family - Winchcombe, Condicote, Blockely (Worcs)
« on: Tuesday 17 December 24 21:46 GMT (UK)  »
That's strange. I used a program that's supposed to construct a sharing link from an Ancestry image (visible even if you don't have a subscription) but it gave the BT link even when used on the PR image. Here are direct links (if you do have a subscription)

BT: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/4732/images/43137_636897_2432-00554?usePUB=true&_phsrc=yOS35678&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=14152383

PR: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/4732/images/41511_636672_1428-00134?treeid=&personid=&queryId=b14aaa18-dd69-450e-b77b-034fc4a1bdab&usePUB=true&_phsrc=yOS35680&_phstart=successSource&pId=754865

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Gloucestershire / Re: Hyde family - Winchcombe, Condicote, Blockely (Worcs)
« on: Tuesday 17 December 24 17:21 GMT (UK)  »
Parish Register image at https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/27881102?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a223336547756527a47537765487144752f74715a6842714c43673874786d4735684738316651414f495054773d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

It's clearly Charles & Hannah.

Edited: Oops, that's the BT. This is the PR (I hope):
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/27889990?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a227571784769724d596c31476c504f774564706f4b3255526c384b66394a70656c786b614f4a4c77626c77413d222c22746f6b656e5f76657273696f6e223a225632227d

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Anne's surname name in Will entry
« on: Monday 25 November 24 09:04 GMT (UK)  »
Looking at the next few wills, they all have the same "D" as seen elsewhere in this will until the will of John Warrein, image 71. That has "Domini" and "Defender" in the opening phrase with the two different forms. It seems the scribe just occasionally uses the other form, and so the name here can be safely taken to be "Dane".

David

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